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So, as you all know, Thebes was buffed in patch 6.1.

Yes, it’s still expensive and needs a lot of stacks to be effective, but what if supports built it later in the build (instead of first item), since it’s easier to stack assists mid/late game? Would it be better than other defensive options?

Also, Deathwalker has been building Thebes in Solo sometimes, and he does it in the final stages of the build. I guess supports could use the same logic.

What do you all think? Could Thebes become a core/optimal item in S6?

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(401) |

Personal take, it's the same as always. 75 extra health does not an item truly change.

For Support, if you're needing to play super passive early, this item can work. You'll have to wait for at least 3-4 waves before you'll really start to be able to absorb damage though, but when you do, you'll be able to take damage to a better degree from both magical and physical. Also, with how 's passive works, this can be okay for him, because he can even kill the minions and he'll still get the assist as long as his teammate is around.

It'll be safer also if you choose / first, as that will give you a solid base of early protections.

And of course, it can be purchased after a first or second main protection item, if needed/preferred. The good health and high dual protections means it should always be somewhat relevant as a protection item consideration.

However, costs 300 gold less, provides immediately high physical protections, and the aura is also immediately functional for you and nearby teammates...doesn't need stacking to provide what ends up being higher physical protection aura, as well as higher HP5, for both you and nearby teammates.

Note that those immediate physical protections mean you can be more aggressive up front. You can dive the enemy, even in the midst of a minion wave, because those protections work against minions, towers, etc., which all do physical damage.

To me, Sov remains the standard 1st protection choice for a Hunter ADC / Guardian Support enemy duo.

Later in games, for both Support and Solo, stacking isn't an issue...it will stack quickly, and you've already built enough other protections by that point that the initial 0 protections won't be a huge detriment. It stacks differently and easier in many ways than , but also gives just a bit of team utility due to the protection aura that it might be preferred to Urchin in various respects.

So yeah, in the end, I don't see it being used any differently than it has been.

(81) |

I don't think anything has really changed with Thebes: you buy it early if you're ahead in lane and can safely stack it. If you can't, then you skip it for something that doesn't need stacking like Sov. You can still buy it mid-late if you need the extra protections, but you're still vulnerable while stacking it.

(143) |

With the buff it’s probably safer to build it earlier in the build

(13) |

You think so? Like, Sovereignty gives health and protections right from the start, while Thebes needs stacks and doesn’t give any protections when bought. All of these while being cheaper than Thebes.

(143) |

Probably after Sov/Oni Hunter’s

(72) |

But thebes gives protections to both duo lane (Support and ADC) while only against the ADC. Also Thebes stacks completely in the 9th wave (considering you get all the other waves entirely and putting aside buffs and jungle camps) and it does provide some protections while stacking. The higher health now should be able to help you hold a little while this item is in the stacking process. At the end stacking you are protected against both damage types, not only one and has higher defenses and health than Sov.

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(56) |

While true, 's stats are higher then Thebes (50 more health, 10 more HP5, samee amount of Physical protection) and it's also 300 gold cheaper then Thebes, so, while Thebes does give you nice stats (Heck it's listed as a core item on my Support guide), it does take a while to be worth it (Like, you'll prob be able to buy your next defense item when it's done). It's mainly just not optimal as a 2nd upfront item.

(72) |

The stats are not updated. Thebes now provides 275 HP, not 200 as listed, and Thebes provides 5 extra self physical protections. As I always said, thebes is an item when you are winning the lane, when you are ahead. If you are behind/equal, go for non stack items.

(401) |

Wayne and I will be updating the database today. This is obviously on the list. Hold tight.

(45) |

For the record, this should be done now. Please let me know if you notice any mistakes :)

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