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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 8:28am | Report
It's been a few days since Chaac was released, so I think most people have their own opinion of him set by now, from playing against him or with him quite a bit.

Originally, my thoughts were that his zoning was insane in lane. Now, after playing against him in nearly every match I've been in since his release, I can say that not only in his zoning insane, his damage is incredibly high (like, pre-nerf Mercury damage) even when build tanky, his 1 is absolutely absurdly broken (you get hit by it TWICE if you're in the ring, once if you AREN'T in the ring but just happened to be in the area, and the AOE on it is massive), his heal is completely broken (tested in 1v1 with a friend and he healed up nearly half of his health with it in a little under 3 seconds), and his ultimate, although not very damaging, is also broken because he is invincible for the duration, immune to CC, and then silences everyone in it making them helpess to retaliate against said invulnerable, CC immune, gliding ********.

I have seen him played badly. He can be done wrong, but it doesn't happen very often. And the people that are good with him are nearly impossible to kill 1v1 because of his insane damage output, broken heal, and practically on-demand escape, plus ult that can completely turn around any fight, teamfight or solo.

I really hope they nerf him, because it simply isn't fun playing against Chaac and a competent ADC in lane.

My suggestions for nerfing: greatly reduce the rate/amount at which he can heal with Rain Dance, take away the stupid "near-miss" mechanic on his 1 where he still hits you if you dodge it (seriously, at least make it have to be a skillshot), and make him able to be damaged while in his ultimate instead of completely untouchable and then silencing you forever (the only gods I even know of that are invincible for the duration of their ults are Freya with Valkyrie's Discretion and Kali's new ult, and if they **** up their ults they very well may die).

I wouldn't say reduce his damage output, because he is a bruiser when you get down to it, and his damage can fall off pretty hard lategame. Early-mid game he hits waaay too hard (mages and ADCs taking 400-500 damage from his 1 at barely level 6 or 7), but to counter that the "missed you, but I didn't" ******** needs to be removed and it will be balanced. That way he can still hit hard, but isn't broken so that you literally don't even have to try.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by ICEN » December 20, 2013 11:20am | Report
Every mofo I seen play with Chaac has gone like 10+ kills with only like 3 deaths

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 11:58am | Report
ICEN wrote:

Every mofo I seen play with Chaac has gone like 10+ kills with only like 3 deaths


In short, he is broken.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » December 20, 2013 2:48pm | Report
WRONG! Gharf!

Broken=chang'e=needs complete rework.

Chaac just needs a bit of tweeking. Like not letting his heal scale with pysical power and not being damage immume in his ult.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 3:03pm | Report
All4Games wrote:

WRONG! Gharf!

Broken=chang'e=needs complete rework.

Chaac just needs a bit of tweeking. Like not letting his heal scale with pysical power and not being damage immume in his ult.


Chang'e isn't broken anymore, she's okay. Removing protections on her 1 was almost too much for her to handle. Although, I got four people at once with her ult in arena earlier today and killed three of them because my skills were off cooldown twice before they came out of the stun.... BUT ANYWAYS.

Chaac basically just descends from the clouds all like DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO and proceeds to drop a 50 gallon drum of *** whip all over whatever lane he's in.

Basically this, with Chaac in the place of Tryndamere: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4v82aaJwsg&t=1m0s

He ***** on your damage and then beats you with your dismembered arms.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Phil725 » December 20, 2013 3:10pm | Report
Chaac isn't broken in the sense that his kit is too strong/needs rethought (this is the only possible endgame for Arachne, for example,) he's just overpowered because his numbers are too high. He has 250% scaling on his heal for crying out loud.

The only thing that needs changed outside of numbers in my opinion is that he shouldn't be immune to damage during his ult. That ult is strong enough without it. He's a bruiser, he's supposed to dive into the middle of the enemy team and be virtually unkillable, not actually unkillable.

Numbers wise, lower the scaling on his healing and lower the protections on his 2 (or make the protections only proc on gods hit,) and he should be fine. Bruisers are always going to be strong, so not much you can do about that without a total rework of half the gods.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 3:13pm | Report
Phil725 wrote:

Chaac isn't broken in the sense that his kit is too strong/needs rethought (this is the only possible endgame for Arachne, for example,) he's just overpowered in that his numbers are too high. He has 250% scaling on his heal for crying out loud.

The only thing that needs changed outside of numbers in my opinion is that he shouldn't be immune to damage during his ult. That ult is strong enough without it. He's a bruiser, he's supposed to dive into the middle of the enemy team and be virtually unkillable, not actually unkillable.

Numbers wise, lower the scaling on his healing and lower the protections on his 2 (or make the protections only proc on gods hit,) and he should be fine. Bruisers are always going to be strong, so not much you can do about that without a total rework of half the gods.


That's what I meant with my suggestions. Reduce his numbers. Make him not be immune to damage in his ult (like he actually needs it).

But I think it would also be positive to get rid of the dumb shock mechanic on his 1. It's not right that he can completely miss you, yet you still take the damage.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » December 20, 2013 3:14pm | Report
Oh yeah... I forgot she got a nerf... I think they killed her untill they can rework her kit to
Make her not broken.

See what i did there?

Broken and OP are two very different things despite getting confused often.

Broken can be killed but can't be balenced so needs rework.
OP can become broken if not looked at carefully but can be balenced quiet easily.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » December 20, 2013 3:16pm | Report
Ghraf wrote:



That's what I meant with my suggestions. Reduce his numbers. Make him not be immune to damage in his ult (like he actually needs it).

But I think it would also be positive to get rid of the dumb shock mechanic on his 1. It's not right that he can completely miss you, yet you still take the damage.

Boost the axe throw speed and you got a deal.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 3:44pm | Report
All4Games wrote:


Boost the axe throw speed and you got a deal.


I can agree with that.

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