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I just got out of a match where our team was completely dominating, we were ahead in kills by three times as many, nearly 10k ahead in gold, and then our Agni left and completely threw the entire game.

According to the league tab, my league points for the past three games had been 126, 127, and 128. The score for the game that douchebag Agni lost us is 64. WHAT. THE. ****.

So, if you lose a game, you lose half your league point gain? That is some ********.

Also, I keep getting the top spot in match lobby for some reason (not sure if it's usual to get it a lot in a row), where I get to pick the bans and trades. What's the point in trading exactly? I know what it does, but why would someone want to do that? Does it force the enemy to trade too, or what?

You get half the points you would've gotten for a win if you lose. It means nothing since they'll all be gone and erased once you win your ten games. You'll still get your 127 points or whatever if you win next game. They just put that in to make people feel better until they get their first ten wins.

Trading is so you can take the OP stuff off the table early in the pick phase, regardless of who wants to play that character. Say gets through without being banned, and you have first pick. You might not be jungling, but you can pick Mercury for your jungler, then have him pick your character later.

Another scenario would be if you wanted to play someone like . The other team probably isn't going to pick her, so first pick something like instead and trade him down to get Bastet later. You can counter-pick this way as well if you're comfortable with a larger god pool.

If another team picks an ADC early, feel free to not pick yours until later since there's no rush. The most common example would be taking after an early pick on the other team to block that combo. You'll still have your pick of ADCs at the end.

Trading is why you need a lot of gods unlocked, and why you shouldn't go in to ranked with anywhere close to just 12. It's never really necessary, but you can give yourself an advantage if you have a lobby full of people that are communicating and making smart picks.

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I see, so it's mostly for countering enemy god picks or for reserving god picks so the enemy team can't choose them. I've yet to run into anything close to "strategizing" in sub-Bronze league, but I'm sure I'll get there eventually.

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GG, I think I'm in ELO hell already. I lost one match and suddenly every game I get is probably worse than normal conquest queue. At least the winstreak was nice while it lasted.

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Elo hell is a myth. The game balances the teams out so the total elo is the same on both teams. If you're on a team with low elo players, the other team is low elo players as well. Win and loss streaks are a combination of your performance and luck. Some games you'll get a team that's too bad for anyone to carry, other times Random45 will get that on the team opposite of you. Most people who complain about elo hell just aren't good enough to win most of their games and advance. There's a reason that every pro is in gold right now. Don't get discouraged by a loss streak, even with a 60% chance to win every game (which would mean you're really good,) you're going to have streaks just because that's how probability works.

There actually is a form of elo hell, but it's more like elo retribution. If your elo gets obnoxiously high, you'll get stacked teams against you until it falls back down. Since the game averages both teams' scores, a 3500 against a bunch of 2000s (if no other top elo player is queuing,) is impossible to balance by their formula. The match ends up something like 2000 X5 against 3500/1500/1500/1500/1500. That game is pretty much impossible to carry as the 3500, since all four other players will likely get stomped. That's a problem that only a few top players run into though. None of us normal people should worry about elo hell.

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ELO hell isn't a myth, it's what happens when you get matched with ELO players so low that your odds of getting a winning combination of players drops to nearly nothing.

For example, one of my recent matches: I'm top ELO, pick Artemis. Ne Zha jungle, Sobek support, Tyr solo lane. Suddenly, fifth guy picks Sun Wukong and locks in. GG, no mid lane or mage, we lose because he gets wrecked and feeds their jungle/mid.

Now, imagine something like that happening literally every match. Screwed up teamswaps, people throwing the game because they have no idea how to not chase *** all over jungle and feed kills, etc.

All happening because I was in a heavily lopsided match, then our Agni decided to leave and threw the match for us and we ended up losing instead.

I would say it's simply the fact that you always get one unskilled player that ruins the game, but that's simply not true either, because the collective stupidity of most of the team is what causes most losses. I've never sat and watched 2-3 people try to face down the entire enemy team, all higher level than them and with gold up on us, so many times until I started league play.

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Well what happens if you lets say are the best person on your team but your team mates just pick gods that ain't good and they cause you to continue to lose the matches? Lets just assume that you played good every game but it was your team that caused you to lose most of your games.

Well wouldn't that put you in ELO HELL since it lowers your elo???? Therefor even if you were good wouldn't it still drop your elo from your team making you lose wins?

Lets pretend you went 0-5 every match, if you lose every match though, doesn't that put you in elo hell?

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What you're describing isn't elo hell, it's selection bias. When you're in bronze elo, like everyone is when they start, you're not going to get a game full of 10 pros. There will be a couple of players who aren't good, and there may even be the support Ymir who starts with Gauntlet of Thebes and meditation. You'll get some games with them, but you'll also get free wins when they're on the other team. You just don't notice them when you're against them, so you remember it happening to you and only you.

The whole point of HiRez' matchmaking system is to make it so both teams have the same chance of getting the saboteur. Play a few more games and you'll probably win the majority if you're consistently winning your lane/role. That's how the game works.

If you want a built in excuse to losing, go ahead and believe in elo hell. You're better off just focusing on your own play and finding out what you can do to give your team a better chance to win.

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Low elo on a good player is actually a huge advantage. It's a similar effect to smurfing. If you're a 2k elo skill player in a lane against a 1k elo player, you should stomp them. You might still lose the game, but you'll win the majority of the time when you win your matchup. That's why the whole elo hell thing is so silly.

If you lose a lot, you'll get put into games with other people who lose a lot. If you keep losing, you're probably just not very good. Ranked isn't for everyone.

And by 'a lot', I'm talking like 30+ games at least. A handful of games is basically all random luck and means nothing at all.

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