My opinion when people say that they have "retarded" teammates

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Now, say if someone was doing horribly in a game, and you talk about how horrible he/she playing, or if you think that he/she sucks.

This is my question to those exact people: Have you ever tried giving them help, or giving them advice to help not make him/her a more "sucky" player in SMITE?

People nowadays always talk **** about their horrible players, yet do nothing to help them. If you think that he/she sucks, give them some advice on how to perform better instead of just talking ****. He/she might be new to SMITE. Even give them some advice when they don't ask.

NOW, if she/he doesn't take your advice and instead ignores it, THEN I could see why that that person is a horrible player. I myself done the exact same; ignored people who gave me advice (which in the end, it turns out that they were right, and I was wrong). If they refuse to ignore your advice, and they just keep on doing horribly, THEN call them out on it (still disagree with the whole "******ed" players, or stuff like that however).

If anyone wants to argue, or if I'm missing a thing or 2 on this, then they could go right on ahead and say it; no one is stopping you. Other than that, I call bull on people who say that their team/teammate is horrible without giving them some advice beforehand.

Have a nice day. This was just something that I want to get it out of me.

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While I agree that you shouldn't just bash on bad players and that giving advice can be helpful, unless someone is doing something blatantly wrong (eg: building full attack power on ), I would avoid assuming that someone is doing badly because they didn't take your advice. For example, at the beginning of a match yesterday I didn't buy despite being a warrior in the solo lane because I planned to buy for getting back to lane and quick rotations and (for obvious reasons). My jungler immediately criticized my decision, but I shrugged off his complaints, going with what I knew was best. That game, me and my team did very well, ending with a score of around 40-10, with myself getting 13 kills.

However, I fear of what would have happened had I had a bad game. With your logic, my jungler would have every right to call me a terrible player for not buying hog, even though that clearly wouldn't have been why I was doing poorly since it isn't really a factor. I've had too many games where I've done only moderately badly (ie: my k/d ratio was around 2:3) and I've been raged at and bashed on for not doing what someone thought was correct, even if what I did was in line with the current meta.

My main advice in this area is that the reason most people do badly is not their builds. Primarily, it's playstyle and warding. If you see a player doing badly and you can see they're not buying wards, that's definitely a contributing factor, so call that out if you can.

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You do have a point there. But there was this one time where I didn't buy HOG (I was a tank Geb), and that I thought that I could get it later. (Bad Decision later on). In the end 1-9 for me, so I will admit I wasn't AS tanky, but this Poseidon thought that because I was bad, harassed me, along with his friend. I didn't say anything, because I didn't know how to respond in a situation like this in the past (I was new to SMITE, I'll admit), but what I've realized now is that instead of being a total ***, he could have just given me advice. But NOPE, decided to harass me.

Yes, it's my fault that I didn't do a better job as a tank, but it still does not take away the flippin fact that you have a right to just bash at your teammate for doing horribly.

(Also I have full on tank build for GEB, and I have even warded too. Just my playstyle was bad with GEB).

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Many many people in really any MOBA community have the tendency to react with hostility towards advice, no matter how common the knowledge you intend to impart is. This attitude has bred the tendency to react aggressively towards obviously bad players. The best solution (if it is true) is to state that you are a newer player or inexperienced with your chosen role or god. There are quite a few people who will then soften their tone and instead offer you advice or at least an apology if they have no advice to give. The people who do not do this and instead continue to berate you for the crime of not playing this game religiously since they day it was released are obviously inferior beings and can be safely disregarded. If your entire team consists of such individuals and you play for fun rather than competition and profile stats than it is both acceptable and mildly encouraged to abandon your teammates, either by withholding assistance or leaving the match altogether. In all likelihood they would have blamed you for screwing something up anyway so having them hurl obscenities at your lifeless avatar mocking their futile attempts to salvage their match is a small price to pay for knowing that they will almost assuredly lose or at least leave a mark on their precious statistics. Petty vengeance aside, MOBAs are a vicious cycle that has ultimately created its own monster. That Perpetual Serpent poisoning itself with its own venom is why people rarely offer advice, as it is more often than not simply not worth the risk or the hassle.

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Dawngate had a pretty friendly community, one of the best, in my opinion.

But even they had the few occasional *******s. Not a lot, and it was tempered by the genuinely nice dudes I've met.

The problem, in my opinion, is that Smite hand players a ton of tools to abuse and harass people with, like Curse or VGS spamming. Don't have, or can't use Curse? Go kill yourself. Die once? Go kill yourself. Get on the wrong side of a group? They all tell you to kill yourself, and they all report you. Repeatedly.

Dawngate had a system where the in-game currency you got was directly linked to other players' goodwill. Specifically, it was called Karma. At the end of the match, you can choose to reward, or not reward, certain players. If you did, they got a bonus to their IGC.

It sounds like a recipe for disaster, but I believe it's what made Dawngate the most pleasant MOBA community I've ever been in. People wanted to be Karma'd, so they made an effort to be nice. And it worked. Positive reinforcement FTW.

LoL has a less tangible system where you can honor allies and enemies, but it doesn't have a direct reward so I believe it's less effective.

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MOBAs in general, in their design, are just toxic. The fact that, basically, your game is going to go based on what everyone else on your team was like, is going to encourage people to scream, shout, and let it all out.

Dawngate probably had the best system, like Sub said. I think League's community will sharply improve when Riot adds some sort of reward system to the whole "honor" thing.

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I like your points but the problem lies by the giving advise as those players you give advise react the way you describe players reacting to people who are doing bad. Best thing is to just say nothing (I nowadays don't give advise but ask the question why are you building power instead of defenses. the reaction is less aggresive and some are more accetbele to advise

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Thanks for the info guys, and constructive criticism all.

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Probably the best way to go about it; for all we know they're trying a new build that'll completely rock the meta... more than it's already been rocked but still.

Flatout dumb builds do deserve to have a "Why are you doing this" thrown at them, but I tend to just keep my mouth shut and try to play harder to make up for it.

...Keep in mind this is coming from someone who is nowhere near Ranked yet.

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well it could but if you play a support and your building power means you won't have a tank (or the solo laner should build tanky)
But normally builds come with actions and well sometimes those actions give me the impression if you know what you're doing or don't.
Even a carry rushing in 1v5 etc (initiating carry is really stupid) the moment you mention it they go nuttballs about it. even if you say wait for someone else to go in.

these players will keep existing even in high lvls till they finally decide to go and learn stuff. this is in every moba

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My opinion when people say that they have "retarded" teammates

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