Practice Jungle Test Penetration/Health/Protections/Damage

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I was just running some test to try to understand the game more or just to see how items really work.

I went into jungle as anubis to do some test.
These test were done on the gold furry. (I wish it showed you how much defense it has)

Anubis hp at level 20 with no items is 1670hp.
When fighting the gold furry it would take 16 hits until it would kill you with this much hp.

First I built a build where I had alot of health.
Health build
- 3970 hp
- 369 Magic power

With this build on anubis I bought Ethereal Staff because of two things. #1 Since anubis is squishy I wanted to build hp to see how it would work and #2 if I am making anubis less squishy by adding more hp I wanted to convert more hp to magic power to see how much power it would give me. So I basically got hp items and a few magic items which I forget.

With this build it takes 40 hits to die from the gold furry.
WIth this build my 1 from anubis would do around 1458 damage

The next build I did was based on less hp but more protections
I had midgaurdian mail and I think sovereinty.
- 2473 hp
- 394 Magic power

WHen attacking the gold furry it would take 43 hits to die. This build did 1524 damage with anubis's 1.

The other build I built was just full no defense and just strait attack power to where anubis would do 2334 damage with his 1.

So lets compare really quick
Heath build
- 3970hp
- 369 magic power
- 40 hits to die from Gold Furry
- 1 damage from anubis done to gold furry is around 1458 damage
VS
Protection Build
- 2473 hp
- 394 magic power
- 43 hits to die from gold furry
- 1 damage from anubis done to gold furry is around 1524 damage
VS
Glass canon (DOOM ORB WAS NOT USED)
- 1670hp
- 646 magic power
- 16 hits to die from gold furry
- 1 damage from anubis done to gold furry is around 2334 damage

So what does this mean to me?

Well after seeing this it shows me that the health build is ****ing useless and the staff is a piece of **** and does not convert enough hp to power even when I have a few hp items build on.

It also shows me something else. It shows me that by buying protections you have actually have more room for buying another damage item because the protections clearly out weigh the hp at least from what I am seeing here right?

So this makes me wonder?

What the hell is the staff good for because even when you have high hp on gods like anubis it does not benefit you at all. Would the staff work much better on a tanky god or would it still be just as ****ty. I would guess its possible to work better on gods with higher hp but is that hp going to even make a difference much... that is the question.

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Penetration test :
I noticed something when I was testing out penetration with anubis on the gold furry.

Buying more penetration is actually NOT DOING NOTHING BUT WASTING ITEMS.
I wish I knew what the defense of the gold furry was.

Is there a point in which YOU ONLY NEED SO MUCH PENETRATION before penetration is useless or wasted after you buy more penetration BECAUSE MY PENETRATION ON THE GOLD FURRY IS WASTED when buying more pen.

For example : I went into a good test.

I first used boots with penetration and I bought like 60 magic power for reasons you will see soon. The damage was like 139 ticking with anubis's 1.

I then used the cooldown reduction boots and bought spear of the magus to make up for the pen. And too my surprise the damage WAS THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT PEN ITEM I GOT.

I had to buy items that = 60 magic power to make sure that my magic power was the exact same for both test. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE was the penetration item used but the magic power was always the same.

What I noticed was that the damage on the GF was the same no matter if it was spear of the magus or boots with pen.

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So this leads me to my question?

Is there point at which penetration can be wasted? Because people say that you can go negative but when I bought more pen alls it did was DO NOTHING but waste an item slot.

Why because since only 1 penetration is needed for the gold furry more power would allow me to do more damage and buying more pen just did absolutely nothing. Which is why I wish I knew what the gold furrys defense was.

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Doing this test just showed me how garbage some items really are and actually confused me a bit on the penetration. What it showed was basically that when you have the same magic power you will still do the same damage as long as you reach a certain penetration needed for how much defense something has.

Too low penetration and you are losing damage but too high penetration and you are wasting damage at least this is what it looks like from my test on the GF.

So my guess is that penetration can be wasted???
I mean what else would e explain penetration being the same on spear of the magus and boots unless there is a certain point to which only a certain amount of pen is needed before the rest of your pen goes to waste?

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I'm going to bed have fun with this ****.

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Wasn't someone going to bed?

Interesting findings. I don't know how penetrations work on minions/buffs, but they are certainly helpful on enemy Gods. Maybe test these same builds on the practice 1v1's with Ra, who generally builds tanky for some reason, and see what findings you get there.

As for , I would suggest that it is usually NOT built for the damage on squishies, but rather the health/mana. For instance, the base health that the item gives will give you 12 AP. 12 AP gets you nowhere. However, when added with items like and , and paired with high-health AP Gods like Ymir, you get better results.

Take this build, for example: http://www.smiterepo.com/items/900875287572759485998540 (you can switch between Gem of Iso and Gem of Binding depending on whether you like taking advantage of often)

At level 20 with this build, Ymir has 4,340 health, and very good protections. With the Staff, you get 86.8 AP with goes with the 70 from the Gem and the 30 from the Staff's base stats. Do not forget that , along with the passive from the Gem, will double his dmg output and slow the enemy. That is a far better outcome than on a God like , who will probably NEVER benefit with the staff.

As such, my findings are this: is an excellent item, but ONLY on tank builds with a lot of health. However, NEVER BUILD Guantlet of Thebes! I hate the item and find it to be worthless.

I bet if you test a bit more, with different Gods, you'll find better results.

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Hey I was going to bed! I just stayed on for an extra 15 mintues because I had to do the math. I had to write down my hp for each build, I then had to see how much damage the gf did to each build so I could divide those numbers and see how many hits it takes to die.

But I went to bed I actually just woke up right now because I slept all day and had a dream about some demonic **** which almost made me piss my pants until i woke up.

My brother is playing smite so I am probably going to head up my friends house to watch a movie but I'll be playing tomorrow or later on today.

Yea I figured gods with more base hp would benefit more but i didn't know HOW MUCH MORE they benefit.

I'm king of wondering if the penetration can be wasted though, I hate facing that Ra because he used to die quick. I'm not sure if he still dies in like 1-2 hits like before but I didn't test anything on him because along time ago I tried and he kept dying :(

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I... will be laughing at that second part for awhile.

The penetrations part definitely intrigues me. I would be willing to help you there. How? Simple.

Two 1v1 jousts. In each, I build that Ymir build (which has proven to be AMAZING), and in one game you build Anubis without penetrations and in the other you build a set amount of penetrations. Alternatively, we wait until you get enough gold to switch the builds around, and do it in one game.

In a controlled manner, you would be able to tell how significant of an effect the penetrations have on the Ymir. I do recall that with the finished build and at lvl 20 Ymir has around 203-204 magical protections, so that would be a good number to test this.

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That's a nice idea, but I think that BECAUSE Ymir has a ****load of pen, Anubis WILL do more dmg with more pen then without pen because there's more defense to penetrate.
About the negative thing? Idk, you'll guys see already (if you even manage to pen those 203-204 Mprotections)
You guys should try it also with a bruiser that a normal build for him would be like 80% offence and 20% defense to see if it is really worth-while having pen in a game that the enemy team doesn't have a tank/ have a noob tank with low def.

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That's a good idea. Something to look into.

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Practice Jungle Test Penetration/Health/Protections/Damage

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