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Oh I already know that. But of course that barely works. Since some people don't like being told what to do. This post was meant to make toxic player listen even to the **** they get. Because why they get **** talked? Because their **** themselves for not listening in the first place.

Well, this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

That's just my 2 cents.

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Well you know not everyone is like that right...? Your acting like everyone on the internet is the same when encountering negativity. :/

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Well you know not everyone is like that right...? Your acting like everyone on the internet is the same when encountering negativity. :/

I do believe the bigger part of people are, though that's entirely my opinion.
But I know not everyone is like that, ICEN already supporting that. I myself can take **** criticism also, but then again I'd never admit that to the ****giver in actual context.

All criticism can be taken as advise in one way or the other. But for your criticism to be truly effective and reach the majority of people, the abusive way is never the most effective way.

IMHO you should decide either if you wan't to make him feel bad because you got pissed off or be helpful and give advise. Hoping to combine these two and reach alot of people is just a little too unlikely. Even if you re-assure him it's for him to improve. (Generally speaking) People are just not programmed that way.

That's just my 2 cents.

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Well... we're talking about the players in SMITE right? And MOST people on smite are those who are already at their 20s. (Unless there're are kids who just lied about being 18+ on the registering part) And the people who are 20s has already taken **** in the their life. Either from bullys or from part time jobs. AND we learn from those **** givers and understand WHY they give **** to us. We already know how bullies work. But what about co workers and bosses? Sure some are really harsh. But seeing as how they got in their position in the first place means that they have taken **** and USED it. MEANING that they moved on their life that was full of **** and used that **** to learn. So technically my advice is sound for those new players who are adults or are just becoming adults.

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Average age based on my experience is -18. Let alone the fact that most people that are above 18 are far, far from adulthood.

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with your standpoint to some extent: being able to take **** and see the silver lining, the actual message, is indeed useful. For the same reason that everything you do, either good or bad, is a learning experience. But that does not justify it.

The vibe that your message gives is that giving **** as criticism is o.k. and maybe even should be standard when it really isn't and shouldn't be. Study has long proven that positive criticism is almost always more fruitful than negative criticism. (due to reasons stated in my earlier comments). Also think about the kids, do you want them to grow up in a world where everybody gives ****? Spread the love, hugs and kisses. Just keep it friendly.

That's just my 2 cents.

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Sure... But I am talking about the players of SMITE. and ya some are just immature. Sometimes you talk to them nice but you end up being an *** to them. Talking to them nice to them makes them think that "I'm playing the right way so no need to coach me up" But instead if you give them negative with some remarks on how to play right they will think that AFTER the game "What an ***... but I really did do real bad." Then later realize that what they were trying to say was real helpful.

So really. Negative feedback MAKES YOU THINK. It's like for some stubborn kids. Try to talk to them nicely and they don't listen. But show your hand and they're obedient.(Not really going to hit them of course)

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This is how you deal with abuse:

Just take that little voice in the back of your head that tells you to be tactful and understanding. And shoot it. Shoot it in the ******** face.

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I vehemently disagree with the original poster. MOBA communities in general have horrible reputations because of the abusive nature of team-mates in-game, especially in regards to veteran players trashing new players. MOBAs are complex. You have to learn abilities, combos, timing, counters, builds; there's quite a few variables to assimilate and it takes time on the part of new players and patience and empathy on the part of veteran players.

I've been playing competitive, team-based online multi-player games for almost two decades. The reality is, if you are patronizing, insulting, belittling or degrading a team-mate, you are NOT trying to help them. What you are doing, in effect, is discouraging them. It takes as much or more effort to disparage someone then it does to give legitimate, civil advice and instruction.

For example:

"Your character is a tank. Item X is a bad choice, try item Y instead."

"Don't ****ing buy Item X, nub! Wtf are you doing?"

It's very simple. Talk to people the way you want to be talked to. If there is any doubt on the best way to achieve results that are advantageous to the player, yourself and the community, I suggest a reading of this timeless classic: How To Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

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What about those players who think that they know everything and just want to get a thrill out of making you angry?
Also, I don't get why some "elitists" play normal 5v5, when there's ranked games.
You shouldn't expect normal 5v5 players to be pro or anything like that - I often use normal 5v5 to learn how to play a god.

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I've played more matches than I can count where some overly-aggressive mouth-breather is spitting vitriol at everyone and being complete nut job and some new player just shuts down and disconnects, just sits in spawn, or wanders aimlessly around the map purposefully not engaging the enemy or creeps.

You guys have to stop being utter douchebags and start learning how to communicate in a civilized and warm manner. All of your whiny, angsty, myopic, self-centered rants make this game almost unbearable at times.

I like this game. I really like this game. There are some rough edges but, for the most part, it's a solid and fun game. That being said, this game's community is a collection of some of the worst the internet has to offer. I've played matches with more overly-entitled basement dwellers than rational decent human beings. Stop being pieces of fecal matter and start treating everyone around you with a modicum of respect.

A little courtesy goes a long way. You attract more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. You can teach people and help them become better players by being a better person and mentoring people with empathy, logic, and patience.

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