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Or Multi Potions over
Mana Potions.
Can go Demonic Grip before
Pythagorem's Piece if preferred.
Can swap Pythagorem's Piece for
Ring of Hecate.
Buy Elixir of Speed and sell
Shoes of the Magi lategame for
Typhon's Fang or alternative.
Can go Demonic Grip before
Pythagorem's Piece if preferred.
Buy Elixir of Speed and sell
Shoes of the Magi lategame for
Typhon's Fang.
Alternatively, can go Charon's Coin /
Typhon's Fang over
Demonic Grip and sell
Shoes of the Magi lategame for
Hastened Ring.
Can go Mana Potions over
Multi Potions.
Can swap Ring of Hecate for
Pythagorem's Piece or
Bancroft's Talon (in which case you would get
Tiny Trinket over
Emerald Ring early).
Buy Elixir of Speed and sell
Shoes of the Magi lategame for
Typhon's Fang or alternative.
Can also choose to sell Gilded Arrow late for
Pythagorem's Piece (or
Ring of Hecate if you got Pythag's earlier).
Can swap Ring of Hecate for
Pythagorem's Piece or
Bancroft's Talon (in which case you would get
Tiny Trinket over
Emerald Ring early).
Can swap Gem of Focus for
Archmage's Gem.
Buy Elixir of Speed and sell
Shoes of the Magi lategame for
Typhon's Fang or alternative.
Ability Maxing Order - 90% of the time (1,2,3,4)
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Also, why use pythag over bancrofts? I see grandmasters using bancrofts
2. Bancroft's is viable, but I prefer Pythag's for the cheaper price and it having health / percent pen (this also means you could get away with Pyth + Typh + Tahuti for your percent pen). However you could opt to get Typhon's early and get Pythag's after if you want your crit chance to come online sooner. The higher base lifesteal on Pythag's also pairs well with Typhon's.
3. Can use this site to keep up to date with what pros are building in ranked (may or may not be blank cause of bonus balance update): https://www.awesomesmite.com/pro_builds.php?name=Olorun
I get MS and close to that crit cap which is reason for building BoT.
What ya think?
Or I could get it earlier and sell boots for Orb
Orb has MP5 figured that'd cover the less MP. Really rather stack Toth over paying 350g?
I tried him yesterday and got buttfkd by hebo after LvL2.
LvL1 I won the poking but LvL2 on he just knocked me up anytime I tried to use my 1.
After LvL5 he just ULT'd me and ran away on his carpet. I did make a stupid mistake by getting Stone of Fal (useless item) instead off getting lifesteal
Yeah that's the other option I thought off yest. Plus don't get a blessing.
You can move while you're charging though, or you could poke him with your 1 at range, and just delay waveclearing for a bit (as long as it doesen't lead to you taking lots of poke or getting enemy minions under your tower). And the range you can charge the 1 at means it really isn't easy for him to hit you. If it's that bad you could just sit back a bit and only hit the melee minions from far back with your 1, then clear archers when they approach your tower. If he still tries to come near your tower line at that point you can poke him easily with your 1 at range and/or get your jungler to gank him.
Kinda need blessing early since Olorun's early clear is pretty bad (not 100% sure next patch).
Anyway, the point is I don't rush Thoth on him. I get Boots and pythags first for sustain/mobility.
Even then, you don't have to build Thoth, I just prefer to build it with pythags since I want a bit more mana for Mid without having to back to base often or have to wait till lategame till I have Tahuti or something for MP5. You can go CDR boots > Bancrofts in Mid if you want.
Very easy to confirm in ULT or "3" if in melee.
Late game get Typhoon and you are at 38% LS, so 76PWR.
BC or Pythags are better, but was thinking burst dmg if being dove.
Also, I just noticed today that you can "pre-stack" ur "AoE" on "2"
I feel w/ the pace that if you buy T1 of Pythag, finish boots, then start BoT it's too late for stacking
So if your AS is overcapped to like 3.0 and enemy debuff is .5 , That means you still get 2.5 AS? Or will it be 2.0?
"Attack Speed is a little bit confusing If you have an attack speed increase
it states it as a % increase i.e. +15% attack speed. That 15% isn’t just a
flat 0.15, but a 15% increase on your Level 0 attack speed. For example,
Cernunnos has 1.00 attack speed at level 0, but Artemis has 0.95. A 25%
attack speed increase on Cernunnos would give him an additional 0.25 AS,
but the same 25% would only give Artemis 0.25 ∗ 0.95 = 0.2375 AS.
Reduction works in the same way, except in reverse. A 30% attack speed
slow on a god with 0.9 base attack speed will have their attack speed reduced
by 0.27, even if they have 2.5 AS at the moment.
Attack Speed can be said to be Cooldown Reduction for your basic attack.
If you have 0.4 AS, the lowest it can be brought to, you have a ‘refire time’ of
2.5s, which is determined when you fire the attack. These are then modified
by attack chain multipliers, so Ne Zha with 2.0 attack speed would take 0.5,
0.5, 0.66 and 1 second respectively to initiate each attack.
The formula for attack speed can be written as
Base Attack Speed × (1 + (AS Increase% − AS Decrease%)
There are a few items that have attack speed reduction on them, such as
Horrific Emblem, Midgardian Mail, Witchblade, Ichiaval and Frostbound
Hammer.
Attack Speed decreases will ’generally’ look for the most powerful one, so
Witchblade and Frostbound won’t stack together for 30% AS reduction, but
this rule is broken by any item that has a stacking attack speed slow,such
as Ichiaval or Midgardian, which will work in tandem. The same applies for
god attack speed slows: only the highest one will apply. "
Im not sure how it stacks with things like Chaac 3 though.
Like if debuff is -25%, does overcapping by +25% AS put you at cap?
Still not worth a 3rd ring cause you are already at 2.4 w/ your steroid.
Def need 2 rings on him though
If you're against an enemy team that has/built multiple Attack Speed debuffs (midgardian/witchblade etc...) then you could consider a third ring, but thats very situational.
Cause its "Mana from item" but not really. Imagine if that was a unintended mechanic ;)
(Sorry for so many threads, haha)
Vs mages who has BoToth it MIGHT be very nice?
In end the DMG increase is negligible. What's an extra 10dmg When you hitting for 400?
Toth, Deso, Pyth, Tele, Demonic, Typhoon does the most DMG. That extra pen from Deso is nice :O
For pure dmg, BC is better but you dont' want to be hurt
I am gonna use Rod over Toth though, since the dmg lost is recovered when they <50%.
So if I get it right, ult + 2 = 70% AS?
I also go BoToth on him, not sure if it's worth it (175PWR + 14 from Talon)... but my abilities do chunk.
I'm gonna try doom orb (165PWR) instead for the MS to be w/ team instead off stacking. Doubt the 24PWR will be big deal.
Do love the Deso idea though... some CD could really be nice =/
I've seen Barra go Thoth on him https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiHTJyDMxevK94QWtDySmtg/videos, on 3 of his 4 Olorun youtube uploads, I guess it's good if you want to hit the crit cap without needing fire giant or red buff by 6th item?
The thing about Doom Orb is it's not good early game on him, he also doesen't make great use of the tier 2 of doom orb unlike someone like Hel. Maybe lategame you can pick it up but by that point im not sure I see the point.
Also I changed the first build.
If you skip Toth and go straight into rings, you don't care about extra PWR from Mana like BoDead.
Something like.. Talon, Pen Ring, Teleken, Shaman, Tahuti, Orb (sell boots).
Is Rod Core? Late game I think so. If not, can get BoToth
Why Pythags over Talon? Lower HP, more PWR, more crit, more LS. PROFIT.
I actually tried using CDR boots, to synergize w/ BoToth and get ULT up 14s faster!! Still feel PEN is better. You're really not strong till Toth is online, soo CDR isnt valuable at that point...
My build is... Blessing + T1 Talon (if no healer supp) -> Boots -> finish Toth -> Bancroft -> Pen ring -> teleken -> Shaman ring or BoDead -> Tahuti
Also I hate his 3... they need to buff it or something. Only use is in his ULT since I can move fast, I can knock up and do combos. So almost useless after laning phase.
If I play him Mid I would go something like: Pen boots > Pythags > Thoth > Demonic > Telkhines > Deso/Obs Shard > sell boots for Ethereal or Tahuti.
ADC I go: CDR > (Dynasty if I want it) > bancrofts > Demonic > Telkhines > Tahuti/Obs Shard (either order) sell boots for one I didn't get 6th (or Mantle of Discord if I skipped Dynasty) . Sell Dynasty lategame for Mantle.
And ADC I don't bother with Thoth since I don't poke/farm as much as I do in Mid so I don't feel I need the mana as much, and since im already getting CDR boots + bancrofts which both have mana on them.
I don't think Shaman's is my preferred on him since the MS removal, it's not awful but i'd rather get either typhon's/pythags or deso/divine or maybe hastened but I think if you go triple ring you overcap AS with your 2 im not 100% sure.
Or you could skip demonic and get Hastened > Telkhines > Obs Shard if you're the lone magical god on the team or something.
Also I hate his 3... they need to buff it or something. Only use is in his ULT since I can move fast, I can knock up and do combos. So almost useless after laning phase.
It really doesen't need a buff, Olorun does not need any buffs. His early game is weak sure, but his teamfight ult is VERY strong if used right and we're in an early pressure/invade meta at the moment anyway.
His 3 at max rank gives 16 prots (Magical and Physical) per ally god healed for 5 seconds which is great, even without his ult it's still a knockback with a 20% slow, and of course it's very strong when used inside his ultimate.
Also you can build Lotus Crown on him due to fact that his heal is AoE and lasts for an extra 5 seconds after his 3 heal ends. So thats 10 seconds of extra prots + lotus passive.
And lastly, his 3 is good at level 2 instead of his 2 if you're getting abused in lane.
- Deso vs Shaman. Pen + CD + no stacking. That extra 10% DMG isn't really needed
- Pythag vs BC. Don't see why. (70PWR vs 100PWR) at full HP and even less when HP drops. The 24% LS and HP is nice though. Ofc CDR...
Regarding his 3
Like I mentioned, in 1v1 + ult it is great. Ult makes the knockup last longer, lol...
During laning phase, great. Cause you can heal your supp
In teamfights? No way you staying grouped to benefit from the "prot".
Yeah Tahuti is great on him but it's just that example build I chose not to list it, mainly because im relying on Thoth to be my high power item. You can always swap Telkhines or Deso for Tahuti, and get something else last instead of E-Staff. It does depend on what you feel you need in the match.
As I said about Pythags, it can be bought for it's good mix of stats, higher base lifesteal, and it's cheaper than bancrofts. Though with pythags I prefer Book of Thoth in the build to get my high power source. And you could always have a build with bancrofts + pythags (as opposed to bancrofts + typhons).
For Olorun's 3 in teamfights, it depends. It depends on positioning, and whether it's happening near objectives/structures or not (e.g. can be great when pheonix sieging). Otherwise it's at least good for the self-peel, especially with ult.
I'd think BoToth synergizes better w/ BC cause it has MP
BoT does work better with bancrofts yes, but I don't like full glass cannon Olorun and I at least like a little CDR on him (10 or 20%).
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I don't like that tbh, waiting for 3rd Item to start critting =/