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How to fix the guide "problem"

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TormentedTurnip » January 30, 2014 10:34am | Report
BestMinionEver wrote:
I have no idea what is going on now xD


I think we might have derailed the thread into an argument of semantics, I don't really know. You're right, though, we should bring it back on track.

So, I totally agree with you, and think there should be a checklist (that can be changed every time you edit the guide) somewhere near the publish button. It would read:

Synoptic - this guide gives an overview of how to build the god, how to use the god's skills, and general information dealing with how to play him/her.

Comprehensive - this guide not only explains how to build and use the god, but delves into minor details and nuances such as countering specific matchups.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by BestMinionEver » January 30, 2014 11:21am | Report
TormentedTurnip wrote:



I think we might have derailed the thread into an argument of semantics, I don't really know. You're right, though, we should bring it back on track.

So, I totally agree with you, and think there should be a checklist (that can be changed every time you edit the guide) somewhere near the publish button. It would read:

Synoptic - this guide gives an overview of how to build the god, how to use the god's skills, and general information dealing with how to play him/her.

Comprehensive - this guide not only explains how to build and use the god, but delves into minor details and nuances such as countering specific matchups.


Ahh! good good :D

PS: dayum, you got some big boy words in your vocabulary son!
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » January 30, 2014 2:28pm | Report
..sigh.

The words "in order" are in quotations, because, "in order" is a term referring to being in a certain state of things or a generally accepted state, i.e., "clean, tidy, neat, orderly, straight, trim, ship-shape, in the correct condition for operation or use".

However, someone's guide may be sloppy, no BBCode, typos, ugly color font, no color font, no chapter splitting, etc, however if all of the information is that it may still be useful, but would not be considered "in order".

Semantics. They exist. And your vernacular just increased by exactly one expression, you're welcome.
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Ghraf wrote:

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As you could see by reading one of my previous posts, I had already suggested the possibility of you stating "in order" to signify just that. The most common definition of things being "in order," though, is when they're arranged in a logical way based on their qualities so as to be easily comprehensible. And this misunderstanding actually helps prove my point; the writer needs to ensure clarity. If not, misunderstandings and misinterpretations will result. It is not okay if good information is there if it takes extensive effort just to understand it. Organization is a big part of that, along with other forms of formatting such as paragraphs to eliminate walls of text.

But, again, I digress. The point of this thread is to discuss the idea of implementing a checklist to the guidecrafting toolset that lets you categorize your guide based on the how comprehensive it is. That way, great guides for getting you on your feet aren't compared to in-depth guides that analyze every possible detail for mastering specific gods. I really don't see the problem with this.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » January 30, 2014 3:02pm | Report
TormentedTurnip wrote:


As you could see by reading one of my previous posts, I had already suggested the possibility of you stating "in order" to signify just that. The most common definition of things being "in order," though, is when they're arranged in a logical way based on their qualities so as to be easily comprehensible. And this misunderstanding actually helps prove my point; the writer needs to ensure clarity. If not, misunderstandings and misinterpretations will result. It is not okay if good information is there if it takes extensive effort just to understand it. Organization is a big part of that, along with other forms of formatting such as paragraphs to eliminate walls of text.

But, again, I digress. The point of this thread is to discuss the idea of implementing a checklist to the guidecrafting toolset that lets you categorize your guide based on the how comprehensive it is. That way, great guides for getting you on your feet aren't compared to in-depth guides that analyze every possible detail for mastering specific gods. I really don't see the problem with this.


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You are aware when someone puts quotations around a word or phrase, they're signalling for them to be interpreted in connotation, rather than in literal means, correct?

Smitefire literary hour here. If you notice, I'm not debating the topic anymore, but simply trying to get you to understand what this particular phrase means and how you should have interpreted it.

I think other people got it.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TormentedTurnip » January 30, 2014 3:21pm | Report
Ghraf wrote:
You are aware when someone puts quotations around a word or phrase, they're signalling for them to be interpreted in connotation, rather than in literal means, correct?

Smitefire literary hour here. If you notice, I'm not debating the topic anymore, but simply trying to get you to understand what this particular phrase means and how you should have interpreted it.

I think other people got it.

Quotation marks used, as in this case, to specify the specific part of a sentence such as, in this case, "vital bits of missing punctuation" which have been overlooked do not signal for connotative interpretations, but rather for them to simply be readdressed. And you are aware that words and things have many, many, connotative meanings, correct? Simply quoting the same two words over and over, especially after stating that they were "missed" when being read, is irrational and stupid. How do you expect someone to understand which definition, connotative at that, you are referring to when you repeatedly give no context? And the best part is that whichever meaning you intended is entirely irrelevant to the fact that a guide that has poor presentation is not a good guide. Whether something is out of order thematically or out of order in more of a visual sense does not change the fact that it hinders the readability of a guide. If you read my guide to guidecrafting, you'll know my opinion on that.

Regarding your second sentence, I would suggest actually explaining yourself rather than reiterating two words that could have multiple meanings if you want someone to understand whether you're using common meanings of words or some obscure expression.

And, yes, you haven't been debating the topic, we've been arguing semantics. Again, do you disagree that a checkbox to categorize your guide for more accurate search and rating systems is a good idea? If so, why?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by dacoqrs » January 30, 2014 3:32pm | Report
Jesus bloody christ guys. Arguing over quotation marks. And we wonder why reddit doesn't like us?

On topic, I love the idea for certain types of guides.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » January 30, 2014 3:33pm | Report
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TormentedTurnip » January 30, 2014 3:37pm | Report
Reddit doesn't like us because we're beautiful, silly. They're just jelly.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » January 30, 2014 3:38pm | Report
Not you. BestMinion and Ghraf.

You can film though.

(I knew I'd be able to use that RoosterTeeth video someday. Someone used it like a week ago though, who was that...)
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