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Hi-Rez's ban system has not always been the best.

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Don't get your hopes up about getting your ban revoked. I lost my 1 year progress account with 60 euro-ish~ spent on it. I've had multiple tickets with Hi-rez and a a topic on the Smite Reddit that was top page for 2 days criticizing and calling them out on their banning methods. They'll just shove you off with an automated message. Do send a ticket though, hopefully by way of the mass we can make them reconsider their method.

But their banning methods have been unchanged since Tribes:Ascend' release. They have no plans of changing it seemingly.

As for the IP ban; just reset your IP and lock it in. You'll be fine with a new account.

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I think there is a reason why they don't want cheat engine running. Right now Cheat engine can not affect online games. Only single player ones. I think, Hi-Rez KNOWS that it is possible. If your an expert in programs and such. Then I think almost ANYONE can use cheat engine to that extent if they have the knowledge.

So their not taking chances. As soon as they see cheat engine running in someone's background as they play smite they WILL ban them.

Or they're just paranoid even though the creators of cheat engine did say it can't affect online games.

Ether one of of those.

It's really easy to have Cheat Engine inject into a online game with a proper bypass. People drop alot of scripts for it too, so even the kid next door can use it. (Altho mostly for MMORPG's like Maplestory and WoW).

But it's super paranoid (and kinda unethical) to ban purely on having the program as opposed to, like most others do, banning the moment Cheat Engine injects something into your game.

It's basicly arresting someone for (otherwise comitted) murder when he has a gun that he uses at a shooting range.

That's just my 2 cents.

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I still didnt have it open for smite, a warning would be nice shutting down smite as well and if you join again with cheat engine then you get banned. A tempban would be fine too , but a pernament ban even though you were not trying to change the games values? These bans are only based on assumption. This is a F2P game and they need a constant flow of money to keep the game running. If they dont change their detection system it will cost them a lot of unfairly banned players resulting in a drastically lower payment , they will only turn attention to this when their wallets are going thin, until then they dont give a **** about their players.

You were cheating in another game. Why should they just say "naaaaah, this guy/girl won't do that"

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You were cheating in another game. Why should they just say "naaaaah, this guy/girl won't do that"

Being a vidiot of 20 years, I always smile when I see someone get the hammer.

I myself used it on MS Access for work and study purposes.

Still;
Cheating in offline games is also vastly different from cheating in online games, the majority of people know this. A singleplayer game is purely meant for your personal entertainment, whatever you do, will only and always afflict you, no-one's experience will be ruined and the goals of no game developer will be hurt. (Provided the game doesn't offer real in-game purchases that can be bypassed per CE)
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Multiplayer games on the other hand are meant to entertain a group of people where the game's ide is to treat everyone along the same models. CE bypasses these models and structures your own. Metaphorically speaking. Thus ruining the entertainment of the group of people.

As a vidiot you have a extremely narrow vision on the whole subject considering games and the like are your life and purpose in life.

That's just my 2 cents.

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I doubt Hi-Rez is going to take the time to ask you if its online or offline cheating your doing, they way they see it is, you took the time to cheat on something therefor they are going to ban you.... its a pretty simple concept that they are going by.

They are going by cheating = cheating... which it is... thats why its called cheating
basically lets pretend you had 8 cheat engines... do you seriously think that looks good?
It makes you look like you cheat on everything therefor if someone has all those cheat engines well to bad :D

DON'T GET CAUGHT

I'm pretty sure alot of games tell you NOT TO MODIFY their games yet people still do it.
If you don't like the game don't play it, meaning if you want to mess with hax, ect then expect not to be caught. If you get caught you failed at cheating weither its offline or online.

Don't get caught period and this won't happen.
If you think your going to get caught then don't do it period.
Its just like you can get banned from using hacks on call of duty and putting them on xbox.

I have downloaded stuff for COD/Gears of war before offline can still go online, so for all the kids trying to say "I am only cheating offline" its a dull statment because some of the hax you can still go online with, and I know because I have modded things before in COD/gears of war ect just to see how it works.

I used to see people in gears of war run around with all acheivements unlocked, colored avatars, skins that are invisible and they expect not to be caught? Most things clearly stat you will get banned when caught because you are modifing their game

Once you go online YOU ALWAYS GET BANNED everyone should know this, if not its your own fault, even for xbox 360 once you go online those cheats are now online.

So if you have a cheat engine while smite is running DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO SEE IT AS A JOKE????

Anytime I have modded cod for my brother to mess around with on zombies or gears of war ect offline I ALWAYS AND ALWAYS take it back off before I go online.

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Although correct you continiously seem to fail to realise that most people, much like myself, got caught by Hirezpatcher.exe, something that will be running on your computer at all times. So the majority of people got banned when Smite was not running.

Now, knowing you, you'd say any person with sense would be sure that that's also closed down. Well that might be true for people that get banned now, long after this "method" has been made public. But people like myself got caught off guard entirely. Unless you read the TOS no-one from the "first major ban wave" could have known that a little hidden process would continiously scan your entire computer for software.

Also I would like to point out a lot of indie develepoers, mainly the ones with beta/alpha games encourage people to use CE in order to search out flaws and the like. Also alot of game companies don't give a damn if you use a Cheat Engine on their offline game, as long as you bought it. Besides, a Cheat Engine is not make a game good, it's to make it even better. If you bought a game and you enjoy it to it's fullest and beyond, a game developer won't mind, they have a paying customer that is pleased. As long as you don't ruin the fun for others, therefore reducing the amount of pleased paying customers.

Lastly, I got banned for using Cheat Engine to improve query times in MS Access. This is not cheating, it's simply improving the program for businesses.

The name Cheat Engine in that sense is very misleading, so I'm not suprised that someone like you, who is very quick to come to a opinion and then settling down on it, give a generalized opinion that is no way inherent in the situation.
Was it called a Memory Editor i'm sure you would raise facts about people's memory being altered and by such remember daddy issues or whatever. You take it too literal.

That's just my 2 cents.

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Ummm your trying to imply that cheat engines don't cheat or modify the game....
MOST of them do. If all companies wanted you to use them then why did Hi-rez just ban you for it and everyone else? if a cheat engine doesn't cheat or modify things why would Hi-Rez care?
obviously they either cheat or modify things thats the whole point of people wanting them.

If you think EVERYONE wants to not cheat in smite you are pretty confident that nobody uses cheat engines to cheat ONLINE. There are mods/ect that can be used BOTH online and offline, and being that smite is and online game only, nobody can make up the excuse "i am using it for offline" when you can only play online with smite in the first place.

Obviously I know that the OTHER games can go offline, but I'm saying if someone gets caught with things that CAN be used to cheat ON SMITE then whos fault is it if they get banned?

Also MOST people who download things to cheat and modify games have a cheating mindframe in the first place. You can't say most don't because I no TONS of people that play games in real life and every one of them who mods things usually looks for ways to be a cheat bastard online and offline, its just the nature of wanting to "change your game" weither you do it too cheat or not to cheat if your a person who wants to "change the game" for fun read the rules next time.

Someone has *****ed to me about it so its only fair i do the same since its true, if its in the tos then you agreed to it. If you agreed to it and didn't read it thats also your fault and means you don't take reading rules serious in the first place.

The name cheat engine is not misleading at all, its a ****ing cheat engine for the most part, unless your using some cheat engine that doesn't cheat or modify the game then wtf did you download?????

Its like saying mods are misleading after I just modded my cod zombies to where I can go god mode ect, no its not misleading its ****ing modding and thats why i modded TO MOD. Hi-Rez isn't going to sit and ask 1000 people hey are you cheating on other games but not ours? Okay then its okay to cheat on everything just not us. Hell not they are going to say, look these kids obviously love cheating on everygame they play so lets save ourselfs the trouble from them trying to come up with cheats for our game.

harsh? maybe but it works to keep alot of ****s who love to cheat off of smite and I have 0% problem with that because at the end of the day I would love to reduce ****s that cheat off of any game and trying to say all people who cheat offline never go online with those cheats is ******ed especially when in real life I seen geeks from back in school do it all the time when we played games.

Okay you may have a decent point if your not playing smite ect
but what about those who legit probably downloaded some **** called "smite cheat engine" even though it may not do a damn thing they literally thought it would so they downloaded it and got caught. I don't care if they get banned lol

If its not a cheat engine then why is it called a cheat engine? So its a non cheat engine?

SO USING A CHEAT ENGINE TO GET MORE HP ISN'T CHEATING ?

CHEAT ENGINES CAN MAKE YOU CHEAT, if you say they can't that **** is mad funny

The game that I was in the #1 Clan with, EVERY TOP PLAYER MODDED and used mods.
It was just "known but not openly talked about" did we all want to cheat with the game?
No but we were forced to because others were modding so we all modded basically making the game even, the mods let us get more points to increase stats in the game. So all the best players knew that everyone is modding and those who are not a top player just never figured out how to get the mods.

I wish that game I played had a cheat engine detecting device that banned everyone from modding because I had to be forced to cheat as well since I cannot beat the modding ****ers on the game.
Like I said my mods where BOTH offline and online, I can use them either way. So I don't care who gets banned for using mods or cheat engines.

I played the risk just like everyone else, if YOU GET CAUGHT you have yourself to blame, cheat smarter next time. I'm just smart and never got caught in the game I was playing.
The only difference is, it was almost allowed because almost everyone had the mods on that game so you would have to have the mods to beat them or match them, in smite not everyone is running around with mods so if someone gets kicked off because they detect 400000 cheat engines on your system, well it makes you look like a geek *** cheater on everything you play.

CAN YOU BLAME THEM?

When I cheated I KNEW THE RISK, when any of you cheat you know the same, your just mad you got caught.

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Geez, I'll take this one at a time. But please read my post, because you are falling into repitition.

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I never said that all companies want you to use it, the majority don't for obvious reasons. Cheat Engine can modify/cheat games but it's not exclusively to be used for that goal. Hi-rez is unique in it's method to ban people for simply having a program. And as I mentioned, I use Cheat Engine to modify MS Access (which is, incase you didn't know, a databasing-tool, not a game).

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If you think EVERYONE wants to not cheat in smite you are pretty confident that nobody uses cheat engines to cheat ONLINE. There are mods/ect that can be used BOTH online and offline, and being that smite is and online game only, nobody can make up the excuse "i am using it for offline" when you can only play online with smite in the first place.

I think alot of people did try to cheat in Smite, people suck and they try to make up for it. Can't argue with that. But, Hi-rez bans you for using Cheat Engine also when it's being used complelety unrelevant to anything Hi-rez related. I used it on MS Access but a hidden process from Smite (Note: Smite was NOT running) monitored that and banned me.
Hi-rez should, like any other game, ban for an act of evil, not for a potential act of evil.
Maybe this example will make you realise the oddity; you're watching porn. The police discovers this and think the porn might be child porn, you get thrown into jail, gg.

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Obviously I know that the OTHER games can go offline, but I'm saying if someone gets caught with things that CAN be used to cheat ON SMITE then whos fault is it if they get banned?

Yes. But that's not always the case here. Me, (among others that claim, where not all might be honest) got banned while not cheating on Smite or even having Smite open while using Cheat Engine. Smite was not running or pending, but I still got banned. I mentioned this multiple times in my last post. Also. You can use notepad to cheat on Smite with the proper knowledge, by your logic people should be banned when they have notepad running.
Now I know, most people do use Cheat Engine for what it's name implies, but to simply outright ban people for having Cheat Engine is unethical and really, really, generalistic.

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Also MOST people who download things to cheat and modify games have a cheating mindframe in the first place. You can't say most don't because I no TONS of people that play games in real life and every one of them who mods things usually looks for ways to be a cheat bastard online and offline, its just the nature of wanting to "change your game" weither you do it too cheat or not to cheat if your a person who wants to "change the game" for fun read the rules next time.

Most do, sure. But shouldn't a big company stand above the verdict of generalizing people? I study Software Engineering and a class about anti-cheating forced me to download Cheat Engine. I already had it at the time but many classmates didn't. Again, saying that people with Cheat Engine have a cheating mindframe and will indulge themself in the act of cheating, is like saying that people with a gun will indulge themself in the act of murdering people. It's a really narrow minded statement.

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Someone has *****ed to me about it so its only fair i do the same since its true, if its in the tos then you agreed to it. If you agreed to it and didn't read it thats also your fault and means you don't take reading rules serious in the first place.

True. Although you can't expect anyone to read the TOS, no-one does, neither do you, don't lie. Sure, when you use suspicious programs, and I'd never use Cheat Engine while running Smite, even if only because it wouldn't make sense. Hi-rez' 24/7 process monitoring is really unusual and caught many off guard. But ultimately, it IS in the TOS, so I am not making a case out of getting my account back. I'm simply trying to state it's unethical and off ways.

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The name cheat engine is not misleading at all, its a ****ing cheat engine for the most part, unless your using some cheat engine that doesn't cheat or modify the game then wtf did you download?????

This shows that you don't properly read a post before responding. Although this probably suprises no-one. I use Cheat Engine for modifying MS Access, which is not a game.
But sure, most people use Cheat Engine for evil, Cheat Engine knows, most game developers knows, and any half-***ed Anti-Cheating software picks up on it as soon as you use it on a game.

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Its like saying mods are misleading after I just modded my cod zombies to where I can go god mode ect, no its not misleading its ****ing modding and thats why i modded TO MOD. Hi-Rez isn't going to sit and ask 1000 people hey are you cheating on other games but not ours? Okay then its okay to cheat on everything just not us. Hell not they are going to say, look these kids obviously love cheating on everygame they play so lets save ourselfs the trouble from them trying to come up with cheats for our game.

Every other game works like this. Their anti-cheating software constantly asks the user if it's using cheats on the game, if the answer is yes, you get banned. That is simply the most ethical way to make sure only people who perform illegal activities get banned. Using Cheat Engine is not illegal and in some cases helpful/obligatory.

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harsh? maybe but it works to keep alot of ****s who love to cheat off of smite and I have 0% problem with that because at the end of the day I would love to reduce ****s that cheat off of any game and trying to say all people who cheat offline never go online with those cheats is ******ed especially when in real life I seen geeks from back in school do it all the time when we played games.

Okay you may have a decent point if your not playing smite ect
but what about those who legit probably downloaded some **** called "smite cheat engine" even though it may not do a damn thing they literally thought it would so they downloaded it and got caught. I don't care if they get banned lol

Me neither, if people intend to cheat on any online game and therefore ruin the fun of others, they should be hit by the hammer hard. I'm also not trying to defend the people who got banned. But I'm trying to point out the unethical method people get banned. Alot of innocent people are getting banned.

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If its not a cheat engine then why is it called a cheat engine? So its a non cheat engine?

Apple is not an apple, OMG!
In all seriousness, it's main purpose is cheating - yeah. But that's not it's only purpose.

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SO USING A CHEAT ENGINE TO GET MORE HP ISN'T CHEATING ?

CHEAT ENGINES CAN MAKE YOU CHEAT, if you say they can't that **** is mad funny

Notepad can make you cheat. BAN EVERYONE WHO HAS NOTEPAD .. oh wait.

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The game that I was in the #1 Clan with, EVERY TOP PLAYER MODDED and used mods.
It was just "known but not openly talked about" did we all want to cheat with the game?
No but we were forced to because others were modding so we all modded basically making the game even, the mods let us get more points to increase stats in the game. So all the best players knew that everyone is modding and those who are not a top player just never figured out how to get the mods.

I wish that game I played had a cheat engine detecting device that banned everyone from modding because I had to be forced to cheat as well since I cannot beat the modding ****ers on the game.
Like I said my mods where BOTH offline and online, I can use them either way. So I don't care who gets banned for using mods or cheat engines.

Again, no argueing here. If you cheat/modify the game to give yourself and edge over others, you effectively ruin their fun and you should get banned.

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I played the risk just like everyone else, if YOU GET CAUGHT you have yourself to blame, cheat smarter next time. I'm just smart and never got caught in the game I was playing.
The only difference is, it was almost allowed because almost everyone had the mods on that game so you would have to have the mods to beat them or match them, in smite not everyone is running around with mods so if someone gets kicked off because they detect 400000 cheat engines on your system, well it makes you look like a geek *** cheater on everything you play.

CAN YOU BLAME THEM?

When I cheated I KNEW THE RISK, when any of you cheat you know the same, your just mad you got caught.

I love that you ended on this, so I can also summarize my opinion and thoughts on the entire matter. No, I can't blame Hi-rez for taking this road. But their lack of communication on the matter and the severity of the cause are way out of line. Hirezpatcher.exe bans you for many blacklisted programs, however this list unknown, it's safe to assume it contains many memory editing programs. Alot of people, much like myself, have to use it for either their study, to optimize work enviroments or to benchmark their own games. Yes, the majority don't, but a fair number of people do.

Hi-rez is, as far as I know, the only company who takes such a outrighteous method without any communication on it. As result, many people got banned while entirely innocent in a general perspective. Yes, I did violate the TOS unknowingly, I came to terms with that so I stopped bothering trying to retrieve my account.

But I think this method Hi-rez is not professional on this at all and banning people for cheating on a game completely unrelated (the majority of people did exactly this when they got banned) is pretty much throwing a dictatorship onto your computer. It's fine when Smite does this when Smite.exe is running. But this happens when the hirezpatcher.exe is running, which is always running.

Hi-rez should communicate this better so people don't get banned for doing nothing illegal. It's better to prevent than it is to fix.

Also their IP bans are stupid and will eventually lead to their demise - but that's a whole other subject.

If you manage to post anything either new or revealing which shows off that you actually read -and understood- this post I will bother to respond. But per lack of either one I won't bother.
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[-]HiRezDukeHIREZ CM: SMITE 3 punten 18 dagen geleden
Again, to the point of what you're saying and not the thread:

Nearly everyone banned claims complete and total innocence regardless of evidence to the contrary. We have even seen people claim innocence with public video evidence and admittance in their own chat logs.

[-]jwags1892CANAS 3 punten 18 dagen geleden
Now I'm no expert on what hacks occur in Smite, but wouldn't saving replays of all games for a bit make it easier to determine if a false positive ban occurred? Obviously not all these people who have been making numerous posts on reddit are lying. There must be some truth that false positives are occurring. If the game replays were saved, then your customer support team could review the game during which the hack was detected and see if the player was actually hacking.

[-]HiRezDukeHIREZ CM: SMITE 7 punten 18 dagen geleden
The replay technique has been discussed.

We're actively working to make everything on the community side better on the front and back end right now. That includes anything related to actions against accounts.

[-]MessyCansMEXICO 3 punten 12 dagen geleden*
Hey duke. I was wondering what your opinion would be about my current situation. Like many of posts on reddit (tho i did not make one), I was banned as well. Now, I was banned for breaking the EULA which includes 3rd party programs etc. I very well may have broken it, but not intentionally. I have been with smite since day 2 or 3 of its Closed beta release. I have a total of about 3500 games played under my career, I've been a competitive player and won thousands of gems from tournaments. I play Smite at least 3+ hours a day, in which many could ask why i would want to lose it all. It states in the Eula that Hirez has the right to "monitor" while the software product is running. I'm not gonna lie, I had cheat engine open while waiting for my ranked game. Now, cheat engine was being used on a different game that doesn't even relate to hirez studios. I was using it to speed up the other game (which took 5-10min to finish, but the queue was going to pop in 3. Now, I'm wondering even tho it might of been breaking the EULA, is there a chance if Hirez would unban me knowing that I had no intention of using cheats with smite? before you answer that, could you answer this:

Shouldn't the anti-cheat software be able to distinguish whether or not I'm using the 3rd party program with smite? Because as it sits, It seems to me that If support is really looking at this "evidence", and is saying they stand by the ban, I'm assuming they understand that I had no intention of using cheats with smite, but "stand by" it because of the EULA.

What i'm trying to get at is this: For every other game i've played, I've never seen an anti-cheat that bans you SOLELY on the fact that a "3rd party program" is running, usually they only ban you when it has been injected into their software product...

Anyways, I hope to hear a reply from you, and since you said the replay technique is being discussed, this is the match from which i got banned (the ranked game)

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[-]HiRezDukeHIREZ CM: SMITE 2 punten 10 dagen geleden
We are discussing some changes to the detection system that may affect people like yourself, but I cannot guarantee that it will benefit you nor can I provide a time line yet.

[-]MessyCansMEXICO 1 punt 10 dagen geleden
Does this mean people who were already banned will stay banned, or is there a chance to be unbanned?

[-]HiRezDukeHIREZ CM: SMITE 5 punten 10 dagen geleden
I said everything I can currently say about it.

[-]MessyCansMEXICO 4 punten 10 dagen geleden
alright, thanks for the reply.[/code]

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Being banned for Cheat Engine is pretty stupid, considering that it doesn't work on anything that's connected to a server that updates itself every time new information comes in (if it checks the data with the server and on the computer for inconsistencies). If your stats and whatever were stored locally, then sure, but they're not.

And Cheat Engine does work on a lot of games, I've used it for Assassin's Creed, pretty much all the Total War games, really any game that doesn't have a currency cheat because I don't want to waste time.

It seems a little strange if that's the actual reason, because they shouldn't know what you're running on your computer while you're playing except for Smite. If a program tries to inject data into the game, then they'd know it, but you said you didn't try to use it on Smite.

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The name Cheat Engine in that sense is very misleading, so I'm not suprised that someone like you, who is very quick to come to a opinion and then settling down on it, give a generalized opinion that is no way inherent in the situation.
Was it called a Memory Editor i'm sure you would raise facts about people's memory being altered and by such remember daddy issues or whatever. You take it too literal.

Cheat Engine is a hex editor, and that's what it should really be called. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of freeware hex editors just like it that go by different names. Why they chose "Cheat Engine" in specific for the name was probably just because they wanted to reach that certain demographic.

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