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I myself used it on MS Access for work and study purposes.

Still;
Cheating in offline games is also vastly different from cheating in online games, the majority of people know this. A singleplayer game is purely meant for your personal entertainment, whatever you do, will only and always afflict you, no-one's experience will be ruined and the goals of no game developer will be hurt. (Provided the game doesn't offer real in-game purchases that can be bypassed per CE)
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Multiplayer games on the other hand are meant to entertain a group of people where the game's ide is to treat everyone along the same models. CE bypasses these models and structures your own. Metaphorically speaking. Thus ruining the entertainment of the group of people.

As a vidiot you have a extremely narrow vision on the whole subject considering games and the like are your life and purpose in life.

Straight from the EULA, and I quote:

"License Restrictions and Limitations. The limited, personal use license granted to you in Section 2 is subject to the following restrictions and limitations as well as all other terms and conditions of this Agreement (collectively, the “License Limitations”). You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:
sell, sublicense, assign, rent, lease, sell or otherwise transfer the Software Product , except as expressly permitted by this Agreement;
reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise derive source code from the Software Product or reduce the Software Product to a human-readable form, except to the extent that such actions are expressly permitted by applicable law;
copy, photocopy or reproduce the Software Product , in whole or in part; provided, however, that you may make one (1) copy of the Game Software and the Game manual for archival purposes only;
modify, translate or create derivative works based on or utilizing the Software Product, Service or Software Product experience, or any portion thereof;
remove or tamper with any copyright or other proprietary notices contained in or relating to the Software Product, Service or Game experience, or any portion thereof;
use cheats, automation software (bots), hacks, mods or any other unauthorized third-party software, tools or content designed to modify the Software Product, the Service or the SMITE experience;
exploit the Software Product, the Service, the SMITE experience or any portion thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation, (i) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site without the express written consent of Hi-Rez; (ii) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Software Product; or (c) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Software Product (e.g., power-leveling and similar activities);
use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, “mines”, or otherwise collects information from, within or through the Software Product or Service, including without limitation, any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Software Product to store information about a character, in-game items or the Software Product environment; provided, however, that Hi-Rez may, in its sole discretion, allow the use of specified third party user interfaces;
modify, or allow or cause to be modified, any files that are a part of the Game Software in any way not expressly authorized by Hi-Rez in writing in each instance;
host, provide or develop matchmaking services for the Software Product or Service or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Hi-Rez in any way, for any purpose, including without limitation, unauthorized play over the Internet, network play, or as part of content aggregation networks;
facilitate, create or maintain any unauthorized connection to the Software Product or Service, including without limitation, (i) any connection to any unauthorized server that emulates, or attempts to emulate, the Service; or (ii) any connection using programs or tools not expressly approved by Hi-Rez in writing in each instance;
create any other software or content that incorporates the Software Product or Service or any portion thereof; or
sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Software Product to other parties in any way not expressly authorized herein, or rent, lease or license the Software Product to others."

Pretty sure the EULA pops up everytime a new patch comes in, but I may be wrong. EULA for a majority of games, especially online are the same. Just because I follow the EULA doesn't mean I am narrow minded.

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Being banned for Cheat Engine is pretty stupid, considering that it doesn't work on anything that's connected to a server that updates itself every time new information comes in. If your stats and whatever were stored locally, then sure, but they're not.

And Cheat Engine does work on a lot of games, I've used it for Assassin's Creed, pretty much all the Total War games, really any game that doesn't have a currency cheat because I don't want to waste time.

It seems a little strange if that's the actual reason, because they shouldn't know what you're running on your computer while you're playing except for Smite. If a program tries to inject data into the game, then they'd know it, but you said you didn't try to use it on Smite.

This post should get you updated on the whole situation:
http://www.freetoplay.tv/news/hi-rez-studios-eula-cheating/

Long story short; Hirezpatcher.exe is constantly running, even when Smite.exe is not. This very same process monitors your computer constantly and sends information to Hi-rez. The way you described it would be the most common way for anti-cheating software to work. But instead Hirezpatcher.exe bans you as soon as it sees any blacklisted processes running, in my case being cheatengine.exe.

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It's not that I disagree with you, if you hack or try to cheat on the intented game, that intented game has all rights to ban the f out of you. I'm also not saying I didn't violate the EULA, I did, I'm well aware of that. But their EULA is defnitly not a standardized EULA.

It's the major difference that they gave themself the right to ban you for using Cheat Engine (or other blacklisted software) at all, even when Smite.exe is not even running, that's the point of question/discussion. And for you to think that that's fine because using CE=evil so its righteous, is what I find narrow minded. Especially as a vidiot.

That's just my 2 cents.

Oy! Give me some privacy.

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I'm not even sure how I feel about HiRez as a company anymore after learning this, because that's virtually malware. It's essentially mining data on your computer and watching what programs you use and what you're using them with. That needs to be done away with.

"CONCURRENTLY WITH THE SOFTWARE PRODUCT", this is the line that kills it. If you're not running a "prohibited software" while Smite is running, they should not ban you. Unless the word "concurrent" means something completely different in HiRez-speak. I've heard rumors of some really shady dealings by HiRez in their past games that I didn't know about before, and it's really starting to get off-putting.

They're basically tricking people into getting caught by having a hidden program running all the time. I will be ending the process on this program any time I'm not actually playing Smite from now on.

@the whole "someone with cheating software will cheat everywhere" discussion: this is absolutely untrue. I myself have played multiple MMOs and online games, both competitively and "just for fun" and have never even been tempted to use third-party software like that on them. Why? Because it's so much more satisfying to actually accomplish things yourself. There are other people playing the game as well, I don't want to ruin the experience for others, and it's also more satisfying to earn things that other people don't have because, as simply as it can be put, it means I'm better at it than them. And isn't that the whole goal in a PvP or competitive game? Plus, why risk losing everything that I put so much time and effort into? On the other hand, with an offline game, where I play against AI, I have no reason not to cheat if I want to. It's meant for my enjoyment, not for an even match between myself and the AI, if I don't want it to be. There's nothing wrong with cheating in a single-player game because that's exactly it, a single-player game. And HiRez shouldn't punish people who want to enjoy games besides Smite.

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The only problem I have with what you say about cheating on other games is just that.

Yes your not cheating on smite but your cheating on another game so its as if your saying this.
"its okay to steal from walmart as long as you don't steal from walgreens"

No imo I think if you do anything like that in the first place and get caught by another company its kind of your fault, yes its like spying but at the same time your cheating, maybe not on smite but on another game that would probably ban you if they figured out.

YES I know your not using/and SOME others may not use cheat engines to cheat maybe they use it for another purpose or interested in how hacking works/ect for school.

BUT, the big BUT is, the majority of people are not looking to get a cheat engine just learn, they really get it to cheat.

Basically your opinion is that smite should not TELL ON YOU for cheating on another game but instead they should only worry if someone is cheating in their game. I am split on that idea.
Yea they should worry about their own game but at the same time if they detect you cheating on another game that you shouldn't be cheating on, well how is that wrong exactly? Its more like you were cheating on a game and got caught.

Again I know SOME people don't cheat but the majority of people who want cheat engines/mods are doing it to cheat.

I will sum up what my basic idea is.
Imagine real life laws.
"robbing is a crime in real life"
Would it be wrong if walmart caught you robbing from another store so they ban you from their store as well?

The same goes for smite, online its like cheating is a crime which it kind of is.
Smite just catches people who may cheat on other games as well, so its as if they are catching you doing something you shouldn't be doing on another game and therefor they ban you from their game since you are cheating on others.

Now imagine all the people that have cheat engines, to me its unrealistic that Hi-Rez can ask every individual if they are cheating to cheat or cheating for non cheating??? if that makes sense.

That is where I am at, and its not as if you are caught watching porn because you would go to jail not just be BANNED FROM A PLACE. SMite is not making you go to jail or telling the cops, they are simply saying "since you cheat on other games we don't want you playing ours beceause its possible you might try to make hacks for smite ect."

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So this is my idea compare

"walmart bans you from their store because they caught you robbing kmart"
you expect walmart not to ban you from their store because you didn't rob walmart you robbed kmart so that is somehow better?

"smite bans you from smite because they caught you cheating on another game"
you expect smite to not ban you from smite because you didn't cheat on smite instead your cheating on all the other games your playing instead so its better.

I am split on the idea, in one hand its true some people may not be cheating on smite, buts on the other hand if a company catches you doing illegal or cheating things on other games why should they treat you like your trust worhty to play their game with cheat engines installed while playing their games.

* I already know a minority isn't cheating but we all know the majority 95% is cheating or at least trying to figure out if they can on smite.

BUT ITS HARD TO DETERMINE THIS
So its bans for all people who have it installed, thats how they see it

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You really don't know what "Cheat Engine" is, do you? It's a hex editor, not "cheat engines". A mod is a completely different thing, and a lot easier to get away with because it changes files already in existence. Up until recently, there were no advanced file scanning techniques for games to differentiate between original "File A" and "File A with the same size/date modified, but a different colored texture". Hex editors, on the other hand, directly inject data into a game's code, which usually causes a conflict between the server/local files and is very easy to detect. You would be outright stupid to try to use one to cheat an online game.

And yes, it is absolutely wrong for a game to monitor your computer for anything happening that isn't effecting their software. Your comparison to robbery is outright absurd. Cheating in a single-player game has no effect on anyone but yourself, and the vast majority of people who cheat on a single-player game won't cheat on a multiplayer game.

There is a very small percentage of people who will cheat regardless on any game, and they're easy to pick out because they're banned from virtually everything online. That's how they get their enjoyment, breaking the system. I could frankly care less if they do, because they'll get caught eventually anyways and their achievements/skills are meaningless since they bought them. These people will never amount to anything in the game, don't even worry about them.

And if your opinion is for people to be banned from everything if they do something wrong, then you have a lot to learn about the world.

In closure: HiRez has no right to "software police" my computer for things that have no relation to their program. This is a blatant invasion of privacy and hopefully someone in the company will confront them about it. For all we know, they could be selling the information they collect to advertisement companies like Facebook does, which is shady as ****.

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Yep your legit stupid, you just said the majority of people who cheat offline will not cheat online? You have to be kidding me? Do you know how many people I know in REAL LIFE not on the forum who cheat on video games? The majority of people who take the time to cheat offline take the same time to cheat online if they have a way too.

However you say they are a minority is beyond me, and no a cheat engine is a cheat engine, do you consider extra hp in a game cheating? Do you call editing scores cheating? Do you say getting infinite ammo is cheating? ITS ****ING CHEATING or CAN BE USED TO CHEAT.

#1 You agreed to Hi-Rez policies didn't You?
Awesome nuff said, can't complain something you agreed to.

Its like saying ICEN PUNCH ME IN THE FACE, so I do it then you cry about it.
YOU AGREED TO IT

or did your game check the box by itself?

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1) Go to google.com
2) Search for "Cheat Engine"
3) Read the information
4) Realize why you're wrong

And like someone else mentioned, I'm sure you didn't read the EULA. If this were effecting you, you'd be upset too.

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Yep your legit stupid,

Irony?

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