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Can anyone explain what does wisdom have to do with being punched in the face ?

Why are both gods of wisdom Tanks in smite ? what is the logic behind this ?

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and... who? Its late okay?!

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and... who? Its late okay?!

Really ? Odin.

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Because Athena is the Goddess of War and Wisdom. Ares is the God of War and Strength. (And Artemis is Agility - the three trifecta)
Athena was a warrior goddess, hence Athens is named after her, hence she fought in the Trojan War on behalf of the Aecheans, and hence being the 'patron' of the wives of soldiers (And Helen of Troy, alongside Aphrodite)
So if you knew anything past that she was the goddess of wisdom, you'd have known

Second, Odin is the Allfather. He's the God of War first, God of Wisdom second. Originally, Tyr was the 'best' god in Norse mythology (Tyr literally translates to 'god' itself)
When Tyr sacrificed his hand to chain Fenrir and prevent an early Ragnarok, he stepped down as leader, because he knew he could not adequately act as general if a war broke out. As such, he allowed the ACTUAL 'God of War', Odin, to take control.
Odin isn't even really the God of Wisdom, he's just 'associated' with wisdom (and poetry, and magic)

Hope I clarified it.

(Also, by the way, Since Odin took-over as 'Allfather', Tyr became the 'God of War', helping with battle strategy, and as God of the Sky. Tyr will eventually face Garm, the guard dog of , and is fated to perish, although it is legend, not prophecy.)

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Odin isn't a tank, he is a warrior. A tanky one but a warrior none the less, his damage is fine. And it takes someone truly wise to know how to take hits without dying.

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I have never heard that version of the Odin / Tyr relationship. I was told that Tyr was simply the head of the pantheon in the beginning, and that Odin just so happened to slowly grow in popularity and gradually take over Tyr's role in the minds of the Norse. As far as I know there is no tale of Tyr actively stepping down.

Fun fact: Tyr's name comes from the same proto-indo word that eventually became Zeus in Greek.

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Well yes, he was the head of the pantheon. That incident with Fenrir caused him to step down.

What you're referring to, I believe, is what happened with the BELIEVERS of the pantheon. When the nordic region actually DID believe in the norse religion (because this wasn't always mythology, it was an active religion), Tyr was the head of the pantheon, and slowly the people believing in it believed in Odin a little more.

It's as if, say, the Greek pantheon (if it was still believed in) just slowly started believing more in Ares (who is at very big odds with Zeus), and he ends up becoming their herald. As more people pray/worship him, he becomes what they believe is the head, and mythology shapes around it.

Same thing happened here. The mythology based around Tyr just slowly fell out of favor, so they created the mythology based around it. Isn't history odd? Just...deciding someone isn't your head god anymore?

I like mythology.

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First of all there are two versions of Tyr and neither of them is allfather
First version of Tyr is son of Odin.
Second version is son of Giant Hyomir.

First god in north mythology was Buri second was his son Borr who had 3 sons Odin, Villi and Ve.
Odin was the one who killed Yamir and created world from his body, but still he gave his eye to Obtain his wisdom which was his main "attribute" since then.

Athena is goddess of planning, wisdom and Chess, her role in war is planning how does this include her being punching bag for others ?

And since you mentioned Ares why the hell is he fighting with chains ?

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Ares' skillset is themed pretty heavily around the chains used to bind his statues and general rule of cool.

As for Athena, I guess they figured that out of all the roles in the game, tank (which, mind you, is just as much about CC and support as actual tanking) was a better fit than assassin, warrior or mage.

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Ok, there are MANY versions of Tyr, most which spawned during the Migration Age around 400-800 AD. This is where Tyr fell out of favor. And the most common three, are the Son of Odin, the son of Hymir, and one as equivilent to Tuisto, derived from Dyaus, the head diety in Western/Northwestern Europe.

And as I said, Athena is the other Goddess of War, alongside Ares. Ares embodies 'Ferocious War', Athena embodies 'Glorious War'. And finally, as I have said, Athena has actively participated in many battles past simple planning, since she commonly has to quest against Ares, since he is, in general, vastly opposed to most of the actions of the gods ruling Mount Olympus.
And Ares fights with chains because every statue of Ares must be bound in chains, lest the god embody himself in the statue and manifest himself. You do not pray for Ares favor, you pray that Ares does not show himself. You fear ares, not respect him. The only culture to have actively revered Ares were the Spartans, who were still the ones to start the tradition of enveloping the statues in chains, because Ares brought pestilence and war wherever he went. This also idealizes they 'trap by chains' the spirit of Ares as the God of War in their city, that THEY SPECIIFCALLY own the fighting spirit.

Here's a passage from Pausinius (You may know him from the Symposium) in reference to Ares (Called Enyalius, a secondary name of the Mycenaean)
Opposite this temple [the temple of Hipposthenes] is an old image of Enyalius in fetters. The idea the Lacedaemonians express by this image is the same as the Athenians express by their Wingless Victory; the former think that Enyalius will never run away from them, being bound in the fetters, while the Athenians think that Victory, having no wings, will always remain where she is." Pausanias, 3.15.7.

Again, I hope I've cleared this up. I'm not really here to argue, but to provide evidence, since that's solely what you're asking for. If you wanted a debate I'd have not gotten involved, but you asked for an explanation - here it is.

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