Dissecting Smite #1: Oversexualization, Stereotyping, Double-Standards, and Other Misogyny in Smite :: Page 21

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So why can't both people win, all4?

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The fact that studies exist mean nothing - it's whether or not the study is valid, meets academic standards and has a strong argument that holds to scrutiny that actually matters.

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So, in other words, you're calling studies from PHDs to be worthless.

No, you literally quoted me and then read what you wanted to read. The PHD is IRRELEVANT as to whether the study will be good or bad.

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Remember this?

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I'm a genuine Eclectic Pagan, so I know one hell of a lot more than most people about Ancient Gods and Goddesses. I'm also an undergraduate History student that studies Modern and Ancient History, as well as some Archaeology topics [specifically Religion and Ritual.]

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Shut. Your. Mouth.

Prefacing what I said by pointing out I know atleast somewhat what im talking about is absolutely fine. I'm not trying to credit myself with anything, which was in regards to a different post you made altogether. Also, STOP ATTACKING ME PERSONALLY. It reflects absolutely poorly on your argument, that you're consistently resorting to Ad hominem.

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So in other words, my sources aren't good enough. PHDs aren't good enough.

The source is riddled with bias and a variety of other issues that I went over. The PHD is literally irrelevant, stop appealing to authority. How many times do I have to say that?

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Just because the sources were crafted by people with PHD'S that does not mean they are valid, as I aptly proved in my analysis of your source. You're STILL appealing to the authority of the author, rather than the content of the source.

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Here's the funny part.

According to Zanestorm, I DIDN'T prove my point with studies from PHDs.

According to Zanestorm, Zanestorm DISPROVED my studies because he's that special and his analysis is so good.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

After all of his comments about bias, Zanestorm says that his opinion, with no sources, is more valid than my own actual sources.

Your source is demonstrably bias, does not cite properly, does not cite modern texts in a modern discussion and shows no attempts to look at opposing view points. That is why it's poor. It has nothing to do with PHDs. I haven't made a claim - so I don't have anything that needs a source.

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So, in other words, sources with PHDs are useless.

Is this literally your only argument? Your only argument is quoting me and then wildly spinning what I've said into something I didn't say. Is your argument genuinely so poor that the only thing you have left is an appeal to authority fallacy?

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Guys. I hate having to analyze his ******** point by point, so I'll make it real simple.

Zanestorm said my entire post was worthless because my source isn't good enough. Because PHDs aren't good enough, said the supposed student of religion and rituals.

Zanestorm called my entire post worthless, because my sources aren't valid, because PHDs aren't good enough.

Your post was worthless as you made wild claims with no citations. When pressed, you provided a full single citation, that I analysed publicly - on this forum - to show why it does not fit academic convention and is not a valid, neutral source. I never said PHD's aren't good enough, there you go lying again.

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I'll point this out again. If PHDs aren't good enough, what is? And who the **** are you to question PHDs? Are you God?

The thing Zanestorm wants to avoid, is that I ALREADY PROVED MY POINT. ANY REASONABLE PERSON CAN SEE THAT.

You literally hold PHD'S to such high esteem that the only person who you think can question a PHD holder is a God!? You have not proved your point. You have zero neutral, valid sources of information. ZERO.

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And that Zanestorm CAN'T DISPROVE IT. So instead of supporting his own point, he just keeps screaming, "YOUR SOURCE IS INVALID! YOUR SOURCE IS INVALID! BIAS! BIAS!"

Why are you people even supporting him? I repeat: He says that my sources, and Nex's, and Chuilin's, are all worthless. Because even PHDs aren't good enough.

My only point is that you are wrong. Your entire OP is wrong because you've leaped to conclusions with no valid evidence to support why. Your source IS invalid, due to bias and other factors I've already discussed.

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Meanwhile, he sits back and says that he doesn't have to prove anything, because he already proved that my sources are worthless. Because he's so smart and gay and talented and a genuine pagan.

I'm literally speechless. How are you not actually banned? Like literally. This entire post, almost every single one of your posts, breaks forum guidelines. How are you not banned?

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Dacoqrs. Be honest, here. Be honest and ****ing say that I'm better than him. I want you to ****ing say it.

Wtf. So this is no longer about your OP, this is about US as people? This is about you wanting to validate your own existance by attacking mine?

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I'm tired of this guy's ********, I'm tired of all the HATE SUB YOU TOXIC **** YOU ********, I'm tired of how none of my haters complained about Zanestorm's insults or said it was out of line like they do to me, I'm tired of how Dacoqrs ****ing said I was just like him only with more insults, and I'm ****ing tired of Zanestorm being on this ****ing thread and repeating the same ******** over and over and how no one else can see through it, or even tries.

Literally, ad hominem. Look it up. Also, forum guidelines. Look them up to.

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I'm am so ****ing tired of this site. You know that? I'm just so tired of how I can't say one "idiot" before people call me a toxic homophobic bastard (TT got your report, *******). I'm tired of being mobbed every ****ing time I make my point. I'm tired of how any point against me gives the guy five ****ing rep! I'm tired of how no matter how calm I am, how polite I am, how thorough I am, how much I'm patient, how much I do things one step at a time, piece by piece, collecting my arguments, dissecting Zanestorm's argument...

You have been anything BUT calm, polite and patient. You've been thorough and done things piece by piece, credit where it's due. But your "Dissecting" involves strawmanning the ever-loving poop out of me and wildly mis-representing what I said. That isn't fair, nor is it a valid way to debate.

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People like Zanestorm and HolyPudding and _angrytoast and all those ****s just judge me without even reading it. I spend hours on this ****ing thread, and in the end, one idiot blathers on with pure ********, judging me, and all of my haters instantly snap on and say, GIVE THIS GUY A REP! AHAHAHAHA HE COUNTERED AND DESTROYED AND RUINED YOUR ARGUMENT! YOU SUCK SUB! **** YOU SUB! GO DIE IN A FIRE SUB!

I read your post. I was a **** in my first response, and QUICKLY removed the angry language in it. Past that, it's just been you constantly attacking. Why does somebody giving me Rep matter? I don't care. I don't think anyone actually cares. It's just a way of saying "Hey, I agree with you. Kudos." Why does it matter that some people agree with me? Some agree with you too.

For reals though, are you actually okay? You seem very upset about this whole thing. No-one wants you to die, Sub.

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AND THE WORST PART IS, THEY DON'T EVEN READ ZANESTORM'S POST! They either hate me so much that they say he destroyed my argument without even ****ing reading it, or they honestly think his mound of **** destroyed by argument.

Here's an idea. What if we start respecting people. Users are reading are posts. They're allowed to agree or disagree. It isn't a popularity contest.

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I'm ****ing tired! **** you! I have the right to say it, too! **** you all! **** you all who just blindly hate me, or are too intimidated to prideful to say how Zane's spewing ****!

I'm open to any criticism, if any of you take exception with ANYTHING I've said, post about it. I'll gladly reply, clarify and discuss what I meant. And to you Sub - Maybe you should take a break for a while. You're taking this way too personally.

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because winners can't also be losers.

they have 2 arguments that charging at eachother at the same time. the arguments clash to much to compremise or agree to disagree.

in this case either one of the two wins or we leave it an open wound that comes back a few days later with its infected revenge.

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May I reiterate the part to get back on topic. Look Zane, I'm sure you're a cool and nice guy in real life, and I do realize you're trying to defend yourself, but it's a 100% guarantee that Sub is gonna reply with another comment, no doubt with some foul language. This will cause you to respond and then he does, and since you don't sound like you have gone ape**** yet, please get this back on topic.

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okay, i have barely kept up with this thread for the last few pages.

zanestorm. if studies are shown to you and you write them off for the possiblity that they are wrong that you can litterly never be argued with, if others have provided multiple sources that all end up coming to the same coclusion that should be taken as evidence.

if you dont come with your own that you have very simply lost the arguement.

if that is how that entire feud went then that is how it should end. (IF)

sub, do you remember what you told me a few days ago? please try to keep your self to that as well.

a **** messuring contest can be stopped by a judge or the masses who say it has to stop, one would end it, the second would leave it unsolved but would move on, here is the thing, that unsolved thing is going to try to bite multiple people in the *** when they walk away from it.

If the studies shown to me are demonstrably bias - I.E News sites [Huffington post], Feminist articles [ideology] or academic articles that are highly problematic, I will absolutely discount them for the non sense they are. If the source does not fit academic conventions, it is useless as a source, period. That's simply the truth of the matter.

I have made no claims. Where exactly are citations needed in what I've said? I'm genuinely curious about this.

If Sub or anyone else can provide a source [preferably multiple] that fit academic conventions, are as un-bias as possible and directly support their claims, I'd accept that for what it is. And lets be completely blunt about this All4, if video-games genuinely do cause real-world sexism, there'd be a VAST plethora of academic writings on the subject. The fact that Sub - with help - has only managed to find one - which is demonstrably flawed in so many ways that it isn't even funny - speaks volumes.

Infact the only dimension of this that has any studies done - even though they're of questionable integrity to the modern eye [as we know there is no correlation, at this point] - are the studies looking for correlations between violence and video games. I couldn't find any academics that weren't feminists on our university library search function or Jstor that were trying to prove a correlation between video-games and sexism. It's literally ONLY feminists that seem to think this is the case.

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I honestly don't know how to, at this point. No-one is even discussing the potential for Smite to cause real-world sexism due to the character design of the female deities. That hasn't been discussed in a while now. I can't provide a counter-argument to the OP, as I already have done and we're at an empasse due to a lack of sources in that regard.

And no-one is presenting new information directly supporting the OP. The closest thing was a post a while back entirely about feminism. But that isn't strictly related either.

I honestly can't ignore personal attacks. I'm not big enough to just walk away and let Sub lie about what I'm posting / rag on me for pages. That's just the way I am.

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This is tiring. I tried to be polite and absolutely point out that this wasn't a personal attack on anyone, yet I still get the 'everything you say is ******** you are the type of woman that disgusts me Sarkeesian Sarkeesian Sarkeesian I'm taking one woman and pushing her ideas onto YOU so I can further my hatred of feminism in video games' and it's frankly insulting. I don't want anyone to feel unwelcome on this thread. I want people to be able to give their opinions without degrading themselves to these kind of insults. Sub, while I fully agree with your opinions, it also includes you. You can't fight fire with fire. I understand how angry you are, believe me. But the more you let your emotions rule your argument the less unbiased it appears to the people of the internet (the most obvious experts!).

I'm not asking any of you to agree with me. I'm just asking that you do more research into the matter - watch documentaries made by actual women, ask actual women how they feel, ask actual women how their life is affected - instead of pulling up a bunch of studies. You can't ask for citation when a woman herself is a first person source.

Stop getting personal. It's not helping any of you and frankly, it's showing me who I should avoid outside of this thread.

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I see, I honestly would bring up some new info, but since I've been using my phone the whole day with no access to my computer, it's kinda hard to make a fancy essay with links and stuff like that

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Yeah, you made one post, where Sub and Zane have made multiple posts that are longer than yours. Yeah, I bet you're real tired.

Just saying.

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I see, I honestly would bring up some new info, but since I've been using my phone the whole day with no access to my computer, it's kinda hard to make a fancy essay with links and stuff like that

Don't worry about it! By all means if you do get hold of a computer and some spare time, please do give us some new directions to take. I think we could all benefit from discussing a different element to this.

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