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Anyhows, thanks for clarifying Sub. I understand that silence is a message, however, my problem is just people who actually agree with you but remain silent anyways. It isn't right to blame them for it. Because they aren't SUPPORTING sexism.

Apathy toward sexism may be bad, but it's not nearly as bad as them SUPPORTING it.

And just in case you are wondering what MY point is, it's not to disagree with you, because to a certain extent I do agree with you, I'm trying to defend the people who you are accusing. To blame all the players of Smite for simply not saying something seems like a rather broad accusation, and isn't entirely fair.

You're right in that those who let it happen don't deserve the same amount of blame, and aren't as problematic as those who actually support sexism. And my point is that both are still problems and both still deserve some blame.

Fairness is a matter of ethics, and that, while being on-topic, will take roughly five billion years go discuss. Our laws still don't solve the trolley problem.

So let's just agree on that.

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who was it again who said that hirez is now a big company with a ton of cash?

look saying that you find the balence is more important then the pornogrification is fine but here is the thing. why not both? hirez has enough cash to hire people so fixing stuff like this is not hard.

i mean, fixing doens't have to be done in one patch, to rehire voice actors is not cheap but like people have said they have a lot of money now. changing simple taunt animations is not very hard, it takes an hour at most to change noxes tit shaking into her waving her hand in a "come at me" fasion.

the woman body models are all quiet similar, just shurken or enlargend parts for the majority of the goddesses. changing some of their frames to be a little less similar should also not be hard.

those are very small things that can be done in one patch that can go a loooooooong way.

changes like body armor is something that can be done in 2 patches.

it's litterly for freya remove bra, add generic chestplate.

for athena a quick fix as a temporary hold could be the same, add generic chestplate. later on they can give her an armor that fits her phalanx strategy better.

laughs, taunt, jokes and complete body overhauls take a lot longer and would need more time. that doesn't mean you can't quick fix them temporarely.

coming up with the new jokes and taunts is not hard, sure its harder then going for generic wench in kitchens jokes or toilet humor but it's not so hard.

the making new body types is hard but since they have only one or two for woman already, i think its perfectly fair to ask for some effort on hirezes part.

why would they not beable to fix the woman of smite while also working on the balence? is the real question.

I agree. Especially in context of how few balance patches they've done. Like, there hasn't been this big patch with a ton of balance changes in over an year, and any balance changes that do occur are small.

Like, here's the thing. If they aren't working on skins, much balance changes, creating items, gods, or anything, then why aren't they working on the sex issue?

The only remotely plausible explanation is that they're busy on the tournament. I'd like to present another explanation that while they're working on the tournament, we don't know how draining that is, and it's likely that they just don't care.

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@Subzero008, I think your misunderstanding what I am trying to say.

Us having a debate about what women should and should not look like in video games is a bit, sketchy. If you were to ask every women what they thought of gods in Smite, or body image in general, you would most likely get mixed answers.

Some would be offended by saying its unrealistic, and others wouldn't really care. I mean, Smite is a video gaming that lacks realism, so character design shouldn't be taken so seriously.

AS for you being offended, me quoting your post was not meant to single you out, but rather to show where i'm basing my argument from.

What i'm really trying to say is that we are having a debate about a topic that is difficult. It's one of those worldly social issues on the same lines as religion. Everyone has a different view and there is no way to prove who is right.

I'm sorry for what I said, but I was not trying to offend you.

*EDIT: Do not imply that I am insensitive to sexism. This a video game, not real life. I am all for gender equality. Frankly the implication of me being sexist is insulting.

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I dunno, man. Like, Sub, holy ****. You're usually better than this.

Where's the past you that furiously talked about Smite's balance, gameplay, gods, etc. go? And now you go down talking about fkin sexualization.

I've always talked about how Smite has problems. Balance is one problem. Gameplay is another problem. And Sexism is yet another problem.

I'm not usually better than this. I'm usually worse.

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As dac said, the problem of oversexualization (and by extension, misogyny and sexism, IF HiRez means such things) IN SMITE is in the back of everyone's head. I'd rather think what builds should go for than think of 's wardrobe choice.

Funny how they don't make much balance decisions at all. In fact, they seem to be working on cosmetic items the most - like the batch of skins, for example.

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This is not saying that misogyny and sexism isn't a real, urgent problem in the world. But putting Smite forward as a "grand case" of sexism and sexualization? Like, wtf dude?

I explained in my thread how Smite is a problem. Not the biggest, not the smallest, but still a problem. What do you expect me to say, instead? Talk about how sex slavery is still a thing on America? That we all sign a Change petition or donate to Internal Affairs? Smite is the one thing that connect us, that we care about, so I'd talk about it.

I never claimed that Smite was a "grand case of sexism." But I did put it forward as a problem, and it is. I don't see your problem with it.

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The only answer I have to your last question is the amount of resources, including time resources, human resources, and financial resources. I don't think Hi-Rez has enough of either of those 3 things.

you know to awsner that question i asked it was kind of the point to read everything else...

like i said there are already things that take the bare minimum of effort and money and time and man power that can go a long way.

smite has put them on the map enough for them to be talking to big time developers, this means they have money because they are big. time is something that they as an independed developer can give to them selves freely in a lot of situations.

they are only bound to tencent and balence and pornogrification problems is not something they care about enough to put a deadline on unfortunately (because then they would be forced to fix it) so time constrains is also not an issue.

the only 2 things tencent can put deadlines on is tournement stuff and god releases. about everything else they would probebly not care for other then maybe advertise ment deadlines.

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My main irk out of all the goddesses are Athena's jokes. She's supposed to be the badass virgin goddess of wisdom and war who sent Ares crying to his mommy during the Trojan War. What does Hi-Rez do with her concept? They make her the stereotype of a really oversexual woman by saying things like "this should cover my private parts!" and jokes like "I like to think my enemies are looking at my eyes, but we both know what they're really looking at." Uh Athena? May I reiterate the part where you decided to not undergo the temptation of sex and here you are making jokes about men looking at your breasts and talking about... armor for your genitalia...? What ._.

EDIT: I just realized she said vital parts not private, but still Athena, boob jokes? I thought you were supposed to be dignified D:

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i actually have already talked about smite and realism/unrealism.

smite takes place in a version of our earth and our universe, smite is not hyper realistic but they are still more in the realism side rather then the unrealism side. in contrast a game like borderlands is also still stuck to realism rather then unrealism.

like i said smite takes place in our world, this means they are stuck to human logic, they can not go complete electronic super joy and have a pope of disco in a space ship as that would be a game in unrealism.

unrealistic games are still stuck to the laws of the universe they created, electronic super joy can not just be turned into a story about 2 brothers trying to get medice in the switch of a level.
they can not suddenly trow in the ability to set them selves on fire without giving a lenthy explanation of how the **** did they do that.

what you are trying to defend is mixing up the word unrealistic and illogical.

smite is in the realistic spectrum as i explained thus hold realism, maybe not as much as the next COD but still holds more realism that you make out it holds.

smite has gods at war who choose to wear armor, it is illogical that they were unrealistic and badly designed armor. the fact that they wear armor is realistic.

tl;dr smite is still more in a realistic setting then unrealistic. smite follows human logic as it is stuck in our world.

that means that character design, esspesially with such things as gods which can offend people, should be take as a serious issue.

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Do you possibly think that Hi-Rez's depiction of female goddesses is being influenced by Tencent?

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1. What you said makes no sense to me.

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yes, is that a good excuse? no. riot is also with tencent and they make less pornogrified charactrers.

so yes its possible but no its not very likely since there bigger money grabber doesn't do it.

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Do you possibly think that Hi-Rez's depiction of female goddesses is being influenced by Tencent?

That would actually make sense, I mean the main art team for Hi-Rez are mostly women, why would they make goddesses look overtly sexual.

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