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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » June 20, 2014 6:23pm | Report
New meta. Double mid, with a mage and a support. No jungle. Basically, 1-2-2.

It works. We (Swampmist, MadDanny, and I) tried it out (I made it), and we just absolutely destroyed people.

Why does it work?

Better mid camp control, with one pushing and a support to take the camps.

Better lane presence, with two players instead of one, along with the tank harassing and poking and killing.

Better rotations and counter-rotations, due to our complete control of the mid lane.

Better tank - Watcher's Gift combined with a strong pusher means an INSANELY strong tank.

New Meta. Calling it. Double Pusher-Support mid FTW.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Swampmist1142 » June 20, 2014 6:25pm | Report
Streaming this in a half of an hour to http://www.twitch.tv/swampmist1142 with the above peoples!
LES DO THIS LEROOOOOOOOOOY

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Firraria » June 20, 2014 6:32pm | Report
I'd love to do this with you guys sometime if you'll have me aboard :)

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Swampmist1142 » June 20, 2014 6:33pm | Report
Come watch as we do, we''re starting in a few here :P

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Firraria » June 20, 2014 6:36pm | Report
I would, but I'm at a Beatles tribute concert right now, so yeah.
I'll definitely tune in afterwards if you're still streaming.
Have a good time! ;D

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » June 20, 2014 7:01pm | Report
Only problem is how easy it is to shut down. You don't have map pressure so if your solo lane or duo lane is losing you are screwed, because it's hella easy to see someone casually walking out of mid lane towards the others, and if their mid lane can waveclear you can put your entire team in mid and it won't matter. Put one Ra with Celestial Beam there and he'll clear waves just as fast as 2 people in mid.

Still trollsy and fun, but it's definitely not the new meta haha
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Swampmist1142 » June 20, 2014 7:15pm | Report
no dude ryan you need to go watch it it was amazing. The mid usually ragequits and the tank can roam really easily.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by MadDanny » June 20, 2014 7:16pm | Report
Raventhor wrote:

Only problem is how easy it is to shut down. You don't have map pressure so if your solo lane or duo lane is losing you are screwed, because it's hella easy to see someone casually walking out of mid lane towards the others, and if their mid lane can waveclear you can put your entire team in mid and it won't matter. Put one Ra with Celestial Beam there and he'll clear waves just as fast as 2 people in mid.

Still trollsy and fun, but it's definitely not the new meta haha


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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » June 20, 2014 7:24pm | Report
I believe you that it can work it's just easy to shutdown is all I'm saying, lol
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » June 20, 2014 7:33pm | Report
Raventhor wrote:

Only problem is how easy it is to shut down. You don't have map pressure so if your solo lane or duo lane is losing you are screwed, because it's hella easy to see someone casually walking out of mid lane towards the others, and if their mid lane can waveclear you can put your entire team in mid and it won't matter. Put one Ra with Celestial Beam there and he'll clear waves just as fast as 2 people in mid.

Still trollsy and fun, but it's definitely not the new meta haha

Okay. Well, firstly, I don't think either of us can say definite statements due to this being a new thing and therefore untested. But I played two games as part of the mid duo, and here's the results.

1: Anubis Mid and Loki Jungle: I was Ymir. Anubis simply could not waveclear with our constant harass. At level 1, an early Glacial Strike and a Tornadoes from Ao killed him. At levels 1-12 (for us, he only reached level 9), I kept zoning him from the wave. Loki couldn't gank, either, due to me being the ******** frosty juggernaut of death with a giant freeze, and the threat of being wombo-combo'd by Ao's ult. I ended up with nine kills, Ao had ten, and Anubis and Loki both went 0-8-0.

However, Raventhor, you might want to hear this: Our duo lane did NOT do well. They were rather getting **** on by the enemy Xbal and Hades, with Xbal getting a 3-1-0 at the end of the game. But we still won, not only from the early tower, but from the rotations. After a mere single respawn of mid camps (Ao's ability to push alone while I got mid camps was a TREMENDOUS boon, on top of the level advantage of the enemy jungler being two levels below their mid, while we were equal level), we were both two levels ahead of this Anubis, allowing me to rotate. If I were normally jungling, I'd be at around level nine. Instead, I was level TWELVE. Needless to say, not all of my kills were from the mid lane. (Watcher's Gift + Faster minion waves from mid lane = Win)

2: Zeus Mid and Batz mid. This Zeus was a lot more cautious, but our lane harass was too great, and unlike the previous game, the enemy jungler did not camp the lane. I repeatedly harassed him with Frost Breath, preventing him from farming or pushing, and he was literally in tower all game.

This one was pretty ROFLstompy. We just destroyed them, simple as that. Every single member of my team was competent (except for the solo), and both our mid and duo lane destroyed.

Those are my two examples. Going back to the point.

The entire idea of this lane comp is to thoroughly dominate your opposing mid laner. It doesn't matter if they can push or not, you just abuse your early game dominance for all it's worth and then snowball from there.

Map pressure is not an issue. This setup is less about map pressure and more about forcing the enemy jungler to camp your lane or have their mid become useless all game. And as I stated before, we did have a case of a losing duo lane, and we won regardless. I suppose if both lanes were failing, we might have lose, but I doubt a proper meta comp would have saved a game where both lanes were losing regardless. (Besides, it's a lot easier to rotate and counter rotate when you completely control both mid lane and the mid camps, speaking from experience.)

Can it be shut down? Perhaps. But it didn't happen in the two games I've played. However, I did participate in a game where Swamp and MadDanny were doing it, and Ao (Swamp) died at level 1 while soling the mid camps, and Khumba arrived at lane late. They still won.

Maybe it's because people don't know yet how to counter this strategy. But I strongly urge RT and anyone reading this to queue up with a friend and don't knock it 'til you've tried it. We can only theorycraft for so long, and in this case, there is no better way to assess this other than trying it out yourself.

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