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I rarely play conquest, just cause I'm sick of it, but when I do, I always remember why I don't play it. I was playing conquest as bruiser Vamana, and everyone was telling everyone about the new meta (1-Jungler-1-2). And yea. It sucks.

Every team I have played against used the OLD meta (2-1-2), and have beaten me every single time. After the nerf long ago where you can only hold one jungle buff at a time, jungler is probably the most useless position I have ever seen.

My jungler always ends up:

Yea I don't know why suddenly everyone thinks a jungler is required. It seems to fail in all cases for me. And they're not even good gankers, either. Whenever I get ganked, I just use Clear The Path and get outta there. ("Move it, Bustah!")

Can someone explain why people insist on using the new meta?

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Because the jungler can win games. And, as you're pointing out, lose them.

You need a good jungler. If your jungler's bad, he might as well lane; you're right on that aspect. If your jungler's good, on the other hand, he can set up or take much more kills than you think, i.e. a good jungler either ends up 12/1 or something around that, or sets up as many kills for the laners.

So: if the jungler knows what he's doing, dont question it. If they don't, THEN you can tell him to lane. But remember, there's a first time for everybody.

Also, the old meta practically always wins against a new-meta team with a bad jungler.

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Basically it comes down to their skill level. I faced one Kali ended the game at like 4/16. She fed me good. Another game a different one went 12/0 and forced an early surrender (i hate when someone doesn't die at least once)

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I got used to it and don't care any more I guess I'm weird

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Yeah I kind of feel you. I play Ne Zha and people want me to go Jungle. So I do. And sometimes I end up under leveled because everyone else is grabbing the minions :/

But the majority of the time Itll be fine, ill grab attack buff and slay minions while jumpin in lanes to help kill off enemy players.

It's less boring than laning to me. But honestly its my least favorite game mode.

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Jungle will always be better than a 2-1-2 meta if the jungler is even only slightly below average. Think about it this way: Even if he can't 1v1 anyone in the game, even the support, he's useful.

in a 2-1-2 match, you will physically see people move out of lane, and therefore, there is literally 0 worry about a gank that you can't actively see, so there is 0 pressure on your lane.
Additionally, it means their original solo laner is splitting exp and gold, while their would-be jungler is losing all his solo gold/exp from the jungle.
Finally, they will take no benefit of the buffs, because it's hard to solo buffs early in the game, so most mages won't do it. They simply don't have the damage for it to be worth the 50%-75% of the health it costs them.

Meanwhile, your jungler, no matter how bad, could show up and toss literally just an ult into lane for a kill. Their marksman/support will always have to be more careful than yours will ever have to be. Same goes for their mid. Their 2v1 lane is the only one that can push realistically, but face it, is your solo laner, who's most likely a tank or bruiser, going to lose that much? No, they have ridiculous base damage. And the gold/experience split, plus lack of buffs, will end up ruining that duo in the 2v1 lane. You'd be surprised how often I see them try to dive a tower and die because it's simply not in their favor (and the solo person is always going to have a level advantage)

In summary, it's not superior in any way, because from the point of view of the 2-1-2 team, they
Have less pressure
Have less level advantage
Have less map control
Have less buffs, and buff control
Have no ability to gank, or save a lane
>Lanes that are losing will continue to lose
>Lanes that are winning can be ganked back into losing
and They will not shut down that single person well enough for it to matter.

Just my two cents. It's pretty much why the 1-1-2+1 meta is the predominant one in nearly (if not every) moba. The solo jungle buff/gold/exp control, plus ability to effectively pressure and gank, is so much more influential. Junglers have, arguably, the most significant impact of any role on the entire team going into mid game-late game. No other lane can be as much of an impact without sacrificing their own well-being.

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I like the new meta really. Most games I play with that almost always wins against the old meta. Maybe I'm lucky we had good junglers.

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I see what you mean. I always try to call out "jungle!" before anyone else, because it seems like you either get a terrible jungler who is too busy feeding and taking out camps to ever gank, or you get a jungler who can go 15-1 easy (like me. :P) I think you have the wrong idea about junglers though, whenever I jungle I always go roughly 15-1, because I tend to land early kills and then just gank like a mofo.

The new meta tends to work out really well for me, but I've had dem feels too. i no dem feels.

One of the problems I have as a jungler is when I'm on the other side of the map grabbing a buff while my ally is being killed in his or her lane, but they failed to alert me that they were having problems beforehand. Something you could try is calling the jungler to gank the lane if the enemy over-extends, people seem to forget that a jungler is like an on-command ganking machine of death.

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I wonder what would happen if they nerfed jungling as a whole somewhat. Like make the buffs respawn less often, or shorten the distance from jungle to lane.

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so it's not that the new meta sucks, it's just that you're getting stuck with ****py junglers.

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