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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 12:32pm | Report
What is the deal with people accusing the entire team's failures on the jungle nearly every time? Is it to the point that it's expected for the jungle to carry literally every lane and every teamfight now? I've played four matches in a row where I got teams of basically downies who all lost their lanes to better players and they blame me every time because I'm not constantly riding their lane and ganking. They get ganked once and won't stop crying about it the whole match, even if I gank their lane more than once. Someone even said they were going to report me for "BMing" (no ****ing clue what that means) when I told them I wasn't there to win their lane for them?

People need to understand it's not the jungle's job to win their lanes, but to beat the enemy jungle. Yet, for some reason, everyone wants to say the jungle's bad, even if I get the most kills, successfully gank multiple times, etc, if they do ****ty in their lanes.

Also, people (on my own team) will periodically go into jungle to kill mobs or steal buffs that I'd normally need. It seems like jungle is just the "**** all over you for doing your job" role at this point.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » December 20, 2013 1:13pm | Report
Oh please, everyone knows that the jungler's job is to win the lane for them.

Everyone knows that the jungler has to get kills on enemies three levels higher then them, while giving that kill to the enemy laner.

Everyone knows that every time the jungler gets a kill, it was just a kill steal, and the laners did all the work.

And if the laners take a buff and the jungler gets underleveled, it's the jungler's fautl for not being faster and being more efficient.

And it's the jungler's job to get every camp on time, and to ward everything, and it's the jungler's fault if the laners get ganked.

Everything is the jungler's fault. Just common sense.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Dark Jaw » December 20, 2013 1:17pm | Report
BM = Bad Manner.

The jungler have been always one of the most blamed roles in MOBAs, but not as blamed as the supports( Tanks in Smite). The jungler is responsable to gank, but there are different kinds of junglers. The ones that over-farm the jungle, which sadly there are none of those in Smite( Pre-Nerf Arachne, Shyvana of LoL), and the ones that gank a lot, the only ones of Smite.

Now, as said, they're responsable to gank.
Good Gank = Kill.
Kill = You are free to take down objectives.

But sometimes, the Laners are outplayed, and as a Jungler, you won't be as powerful as a Laner. The jungle does not provide as much exp as the lane. I've even seen a Lane that have not been ganked ONCE, the laner is soloed, and he blames the jungler! Outrageous, right?


That's normal. As a jungle main on LoL, I've seen a ****ton of people blaming me out. I only ''blame'' the jungler when the enemy jungler starts to camp me, and he does nothing about it, neither help other lane. I ask: ''Can you help me pls? The enemy jungler is camping me'', and he says ''stfu''.

Sad but true.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 1:17pm | Report
Yeah, that is exactly what I've learned over the past day or so. Like, if the Poseidon in mid leaves his lane after mid got killed for being stupid and overextending, and then attacks right lane, while I'm in left lane ganking for him, it's somehow my fault that right lane got ganked by the mid that no one called incoming. It doesn't even make sense.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Zanestorm » December 20, 2013 1:20pm | Report
It's difficult. I don't jungle often [It's hard!] But I understand both sides of it. You can get really bad junglers that are a wasted team slot that would do better in lane, or really good junglers that literally carry the game. Most people expect the latter, and when not delivered say that you're bad [regardless of performance usually.]

I've seen the most positive response to a jungler when they focus on boosting their team MORE than counter jungling, mainly because it has a more obvious effect on the game and helps you win lanes which is important. What does annoy most people in when your jungler farms constantly but doesn't help a lane that obviously needs it - again it's easy to do.

It comes down to perception - some people think a junglers role is to win lanes through ganks, secure kills to feed yourself and lanes [giving a good advantage.] Others think the role of a jungler is purely to mess with the enemy jungler. I personally think in all but a few situations the junglers priority should be on securing kills for your team, allowing them to more effectively push their lanes and deal with ganks. That's just my opinion though. Since the opinion is split - you're pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Infamous1 » December 20, 2013 1:32pm | Report
I understand your pain. For the ones crying about losing their lanes don't expect to be carried and the only time you really run into a problem is when your lane is being pushed hard by the majority of the oppossing team and/or you're outnumbered. If you're failing your lane in an even match, that's your own problem, but as we all know not everyone will own up to their mistakes or build fail (seen so many, especially when there's only the one tank and that tank decides to go all damage build or better yet the apc/ap who does a solo dive into the entire opposing team when your team is already MIA...smh).
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Aerodramatic » December 20, 2013 1:56pm | Report
I feel with you. Its always the junglers fault and everyone just calls "report jungle for feeding". After all, reporting people for being bad is just the most "i have no life" thing in the world. And after all, 3-6 is not bad if ur whole team sucks and mid ao fed mid nu wa ans she just bursts in seconds.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghraf » December 20, 2013 2:56pm | Report
When I get a solo lane begging me to get his blue first and telling me I need, just absolutely need to get orange buff for myself first it gets irritating. People think jungle is only there to wait on them hand and foot it seems. Then they get all hopped up when I don't do what they tell me because, you know, it's not like I've got anything better to do.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Shavul » December 21, 2013 8:06pm | Report
Well, if I get outplayed hard (wich happens often, because I'm quite meh at this) I ask the jungler kindly to help a bit if I'm getting destroyed. Because the jungler's job is ALSO to help the lanes that he's next to if needed. It's just dumb that the midlaner or whoever comes to help my lane MORE OFTEN than a jungler.

When I play as a jungler (usually Ne Zha or Merc), I clean a side of the jungle. If someone around needs help I'll go there and help. There's no point of me getting one camp or two if the solo laner gets destroyed in the process.

I guess I have the "hero syndrome" because I play as a tank most of the time. If I can help a teammate (even if that means that I die instead of him), I'll gladly do it.

Ne zha's ult is amazing to save someone's ***.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by MadDanny » December 21, 2013 8:10pm | Report
Well... the jungler's job is to provide ganks on losing lanes. If he his mostly seen ganking "Winning" lanes then his not a team player at all. His just feeding on the kills. Pay attention to some of your junglers. If you see them doing nothing but farm, lurking just one lane while the others have a hard time. You might understand.

But if their just blaming them unreasonably then thats BS.
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