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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » October 1, 2014 4:19am | Report
Just gonna copy pasterino from another thread my thoughts

>"I can't tell if I'm going to like the small AoE basic attack more or less than the linear auto attack.

It passes over minions meaning you have the permanent ability to harass behind a minion wave, but they CAN juke you forward and backward, as opposed to only sideways. I think this basic attack is easier to juke but more flexible, and I don't know if that's better or worse. I still find it a really interesting concept.

Either way, he doesn't seem absolutely broken, but he does feel very strong, and I think his playstyle will be very fun."<

I've only paid attention to the kit, not the numbers, so I'm probably off, but in conception he seems ok, if overtuned. If the numbers are bad though I can easily see how he'd be broken. I don't like the RNG associated with him but I like the kit itself. His seed ability having both an offensive and defensive aspect allows variability and flexibility, which I think is fine, and his overtuned kit makes sense on a guardian who won't do damage. As long as HiRez is willing to tune the numbers as necessary to make sure he's specifically a guardian and not a mage, it should be ok. *Should*
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Shavul » October 1, 2014 4:33am | Report
Aeadar wrote:


There is a word for those who seek to obfuscate the argument with nonsensical points. That word is Sophistry. I am not being "moral" when I tell you that the focus of this argument and thread is mere speculation. I am being factual - in comparison to you acting out on your grudge against Subzero, which is indeed a moral problem. Unless you think that this topic being speculation is only a subjective matter?

As I said before, if Subzero is "poisoning this thread," you are propagating it. Your negativity extends to others now. I suggest you stop. You do realize its possible to call out or quell negativity without proliferating it?

You are correct in that you do not need to play other MOBAs. However, Smite is not as unique as you might think. You should not state otherwise, for, as you said, you have little or no experience with other MOBAs. So I recommend you do not speak of which you don't understand.

Furthermore, concerning your latter point. You are correct that I main League of Legends, but dreadfully incorrect on everything else. I may not participate, but I do look, and listen. An argument is an exchange of ideas, freely and equally given. You do not seek an argument. You attempt to discredit my points and my competence by calling me out on my supposed inexperience, as well as bolster yourself by stating your own presumably deep and enlightened experience. I know plenty about Smite, and plenty about you, and what I have seen tells me that you are not a very pleasant person, with presumption and pretension to spare.

Let us dispense with the sophistry and fallacious arguments. One does not need to personally insult someone to attack them. You do not need to know a man's personal history or behavior in order to insult his mother. Your caustic and sarcastic attitude is plain to see in your comments to both me and Subzero, and I request that you stop and speak in a more proper manner.


Ok, listen. I do not think you're a troll, but that british cup-of-tea way of talking doesn't make you sound more... right, it does, however, make you sound like a pompous douche.


So I recommend that in case you have to argue with someone, take the top hat off first. Thank you.

And more importantly, you're saying dacoqrs is spreading negativity because he's answering to a negative post, yet you're doing the same.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by HiFromBuddha » October 1, 2014 10:02am | Report
Raventhor wrote:

Just gonna copy pasterino from another thread my thoughts

>"I can't tell if I'm going to like the small AoE basic attack more or less than the linear auto attack.

It passes over minions meaning you have the permanent ability to harass behind a minion wave, but they CAN juke you forward and backward, as opposed to only sideways. I think this basic attack is easier to juke but more flexible, and I don't know if that's better or worse. I still find it a really interesting concept.

Either way, he doesn't seem absolutely broken, but he does feel very strong, and I think his playstyle will be very fun."<

I've only paid attention to the kit, not the numbers, so I'm probably off, but in conception he seems ok, if overtuned. If the numbers are bad though I can easily see how he'd be broken. I don't like the RNG associated with him but I like the kit itself. His seed ability having both an offensive and defensive aspect allows variability and flexibility, which I think is fine, and his overtuned kit makes sense on a guardian who won't do damage. As long as HiRez is willing to tune the numbers as necessary to make sure he's specifically a guardian and not a mage, it should be ok. *Should*


Personally, I think that numbers really don't matter as either way, his kit has just so much going for it. This seems to be an ongoing trend, but the League equivalent would very much be Thresh. Both Thresh and Sylvanus have kits that have way too much utility for the amount of power creep within their games. Both Thresh and Sylvanus came to the game with a kit packed with so much utility that no other support at the time was able to come close to what they had and have to offer.

I mean, sure, we'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe they have indeed undertuned the values of the cc so it isn't too ridiculous. But personally, I feel that Hi-Rez really isn't coming up with kits that are healthy for the game. As Sub put it, it's a mish-mash of just various different things they could brainstorm up to create a Frankenstein's monster of a God. He just has everything, and I can see him being a very highly contested pick for the support role. He can make picks very easily, does very well against poke comps as well as siege situation and fits really well with hard engage comps.

Also, on a less important note, this guy will be an absolute monster in Assault.

Shavul wrote:

Ok, listen. I do not think you're a troll, but that british cup-of-tea way of talking doesn't make you sound more... right, it does, however, make you sound like a pompous douche.


So I recommend that in case you have to argue with someone, take the top hat off first. Thank you.

And more importantly, you're saying dacoqrs is spreading negativity because he's answering to a negative post, yet you're doing the same.

Genius.


Conflict just seems to be inevitable on this site, well in society really. So many conflicting opinions, both of which thought by the possessor of the opinions to be the one true and correct answer.

While conflict is bad, I praise him for the manner in which he did it. While most conflict created ends up being insult wars, at least he has somewhat made an effort to refrain from resorting to school-yard insults. Perhaps he does come off as a pompous douche to some, to me, it feels like he is trying to actually come here for educated, albeit it heated, discussion.

It's the simple fact that it was conflicting that made it seem like he was being aggressive. Oh well.

This here is a case of conflicting opinion. While to you, he may have seemed like a 'pompous douche', to me I saw the hints, well, not hint, but rather prominent signs of a refined vocabulary show education, like this guy knows what he is saying. Of course, everything is subject to bias. I welcome signs of intelligence within the internet, a sea of, well, to put it kindly, less than intelligent beings...

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » October 1, 2014 10:14am | Report
Oh I agree that his kit has a TON of stuff. Too much. At the same time I know he's a support guardian, and he's meant to. And while he has a ton of stuff, it isn't all CC, such that the numbers being tuned can REALLY make him balanced, like his dot/hot/shield/mp5 for example. As long as his Arachne Coccoon and Zyra Ult aren't *too* bad on CC, he can easily be balanced.

I have to test games both as and against him to really see how oppressive he is though. The god reveal is barely something I can base it off. But I do see your point.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Firraria » October 1, 2014 12:46pm | Report
Aedar's vocabulary and way of writing is awesome, and I enjoyed reading his posts just because of that.
And I think we're all aware that Sub is negative about the things that Hi-Rez does. Telling Sub to stop being negative towards Smite is like telling a Farquaad that yes, Shrek is the one true savior. I think Sub's negativity towards Smite and Hi-Rez in general is justifiable due to the fact that there's much to be negative about.
Moreover, I feel like dacoqrs was trying to spawn an argument with Sub, although I can't know his intentions.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by dacoqrs » October 1, 2014 1:44pm | Report
Firraria wrote:

Aedar's vocabulary and way of writing is awesome, and I enjoyed reading his posts just because of that.
And I think we're all aware that Sub is negative about the things that Hi-Rez does. Telling Sub to stop being negative towards Smite is like telling a Farquaad that yes, Shrek is the one true savior. I think Sub's negativity towards Smite and Hi-Rez in general is justifiable due to the fact that there's much to be negative about.
Moreover, I feel like dacoqrs was trying to spawn an argument with Sub, although I can't know his intentions.

Oh yeah, and Sylvanus op, qq hirez, gg smite, yada yada yada.


But Firraria.

Oh, never mind. I don't think I was out of line for commenting on his negativity, but apparently others feel differently.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Firraria » October 1, 2014 2:30pm | Report
I don't think you were either, but I think that we're all smart enough to see, given your history with Sub, that telling him to stop being so negative just adds fuel to the fire. Anyways, have a good one. :D
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Greenevers » October 1, 2014 2:35pm | Report
offtopic->aedar


Yes, Sylvanus does seem to have too many new things in one and his utility is insane. He could work well with blink but isn't always needed because of his pull.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » October 3, 2014 1:24am | Report
Wow, Aeadar came out of left field. I thank him/her and Firraria for supporting me.

As for Dacoqrs, he's, well, dacoqrs. Aeadar kinda proved he's beyond talking.

I simply HAVE to comment on this bit of logic.

Shavul wrote:
And more importantly, you're saying dacoqrs is spreading negativity because he's answering to a negative post, yet you're doing the same.

Genius.
You missed how Aeadar never said dacoqrs was being negative by answering to a negative post. He/She only said its possible for dacoqrs to answer to negativity without being negative himself. You missed his/her entire point.

*Must...resist...temptation...to say...genius...*

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Shavul » October 3, 2014 3:04am | Report
Subzero008 wrote:

Wow, Aeadar came out of left field. I thank him/her and Firraria for supporting me.

As for Dacoqrs, he's, well, dacoqrs. Aeadar kinda proved he's beyond talking.

I simply HAVE to comment on this bit of logic.

You missed how Aeadar never said dacoqrs was being negative by answering to a negative post. He/She only said its possible for dacoqrs to answer to negativity without being negative himself. You missed his/her entire point.

*Must...resist...temptation...to say...genius...*

Genius.


And here you are, spreading negativity just because Aeadar answered to that comment, and I did too. So I guess I was right. Wasn't I? If Aeadar didn't answer, I wouldn't have done so, and this would be over long ago.

By the way, that big red font really makes your point more valid. Oh wait.

It does not.

See you around. Anyway, well done protecting the ones that protected you. That's what you should do anyway, but you picked the wrong guy. Your answers just proves me right, invalidating your whole answer.

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