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Smite God: Ymir

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Ymir Build

The Beginner's/Meta build (The "True" Support") Versatile Auras/Protections [Sell Traveler's for Focus late]

Traveler's Shoes

Hide of the Urchin

Sovereignty

Heartward Amulet

Mantle of Discord

Winged Blade

Starting Items (Standard)

Watcher's Gift

Boots

Healing Potion

Ward

Mana Potion

Build 2 Sample: Meta Build (The CC Spammer) First 3 Are Core, Rest are sample recommended.

Shoes of Focus

Breastplate of Valor

Winged Blade

Spirit Robe

Bulwark of Hope

Void Stone

Starting item Options

Watcher's Gift

Mark of the Vanguard

Ymir's Skill Order

Ice Wall

1 X

4 15 16 18 19

Glacial Strike

2 A

1 3 6 7 10

Frost Breath

3 B

2 8 11 12 14

Shards of Ice

4 Y

5 9 13 17 20

4 15 16 18 19

Ice Wall

1 X

Ymir summons a wall of ice out of the ground that blocks player movement.

Ability Type: Line, Wall
Lifetime: 3 / 3.5 / 4 / 4.5 / 5s
Cost: 60
Cooldown: 12 / 11.5 / 11 / 10.5 / 10s

1 3 6 7 10

Glacial Strike

2 A

Ymir smashes his club, doing damage to all enemies in front of him and slowing them. Applies Frostbite.

Ability Type: Line, Slow, Damage
Damage: 90 / 160 / 230 / 300 / 370 (+70% of your Magical Power)
Slow: 35%
Slow Duration: 4s
Cost: 55 / 60 / 65 / 70 / 75
Cooldown: 8s

2 8 11 12 14

Frost Breath

3 B

Ymir uses his breath to freeze enemies in blocks of ice, doing damage and stunning them. Applies Frostbite.

Ability Type: Cone, Stun, Damage
Damage: 50 / 90 / 130 / 170 / 210 (+50% of your Magical Power)
Stun: 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 / 2 / 2.25s
Range: 35
Cost: 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 / 80
Cooldown: 14s

5 9 13 17 20

Shards of Ice

4 Y

Ymir begins to freeze the air around him, causing shards of ice to grow on his back and Slowing enemies. After a 3s channel, Ymir erupts out of his frozen state, causing shards of ice to do damage to all enemies in his range. Applies Frostbite. Cancelling the ability decreases the damage.

Ability Type: Circle, Slow, Damage
Damage: 500 / 650 / 800 / 950 / 1100 (+150% of your Magical Power)
Slow: 40%
Radius: 35
Cost: 80 / 85 / 90 / 95 / 100
Cooldown: 90 / 85 / 80 / 75 / 70s

Introduction

Hey there, welcome to my guide to playing , Father of the Frost Giants and proud member of the Norse pantheon. My name is Jeffrey and my IGN is Salad. In this guide I will share with you the methods of playing Ymir effectively starting with support, edging into Solo and finally working our way to Jungle.

Looking to play some games with me? Just send me a friend request or join our clan ESNCE (Essence Gaming). We're a growing community that's always looking for fun people of all skill levels.

If you downvote or have any critiques on this guide PLEASE leave a comment below so I can constantly do things to make this guide better, and perhaps earn your favor back! :)

Also if you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me either on this guide's comments section (I CHECK IT DAILY!). Or send me a message in game and I'll be more than happy to help you. I didn't write this guide just to abandon it and let people that might be confused try to decipher some of what I write.

Patch Updates

This section will be used to post any changes Hirez makes to as new patches are released. Currently since this is a new guide there are no new changes to report

About Ymir

Ymir is a strong Guardian with a kit that allows him to not only Peel, Zone and apply Crowd Control (CC) but also dish out a pretty significant amount of damage over all.

When push comes to shove Ymir is a god that excels at using the map as a form of CC with the use of Ice Wall to create dead ends, blocking enemies from objectives anf isolating them from the safety of their team.

One of the things that makes Ymir such a threat is his easily confirmable Hard CC damage combo with Frost Breath and Glacial Strike plus his potential ability to box and burst thanks to his passive, Frostbite, he also currently has the second strongest ultimate in the game when it comes to raw damage and scaling (Bested only by Anubis)

General Stats You Should Be Searching For on Him:
- Movement Speed
- Penetration
- Protections and Health
- Cooldown % Reduction

Pros/Cons

PROS
- High Damage/Health
- Strong Zone
- Great Peel
- Great lane bully
- Great Setup
- Good Self/Team Disengage

CONS
- Very low mobility
- Low range
- Can block himself and his teammates
- Easily Counterpicked
- Requires Blink to close distance

Ability Rundown

Frostbite

About This Passive

Ice Wall

About This Ability

Now has an interesting kit in that he has been played to success with each of his first three abilities being prioritized in level. however has really made one major appearance as the level priority in the competitive smite scene, so since this is a guide for people newer to we're going to stick with the standard of this being the THIRD level up priority.

Now when it comes down to it while doesn't do damage or apply a hard CC it's definitely an extremely important part of 's kit. Creating temporary dead-ends in the map and forcing opponents to walk around or use abilities/Phantom to escape.

So When Do You Use It?

To Close Distance for an Engagement

So as I've already pointed out has extremely low mobility. So how do you actually get close to someone to engage? Well unless you have a Blink, Curse or Sprint the answer is going to be that you have to either sneak up on your targets (Similar to how a jungler does). But your other option is going to be to somehow block off an enemy's retreat path with . Now I'd like to point out that shines as a god in the jungle when it comes to conquest. But and his are by no means useless in the lane either for engaging.

You can generally place it immediately behind an opponent. This forces your target/s to either use an escape to get over/through the wall, or forces your target/s to take 1-2 seconds to walk around the wall, which means that gives you 1-2 seconds to close the gap and initiate with a

To Block Incoming Enemies/Damage

Blocks absolutely everything that cannot go through walls. This includes Enemy Gods, Enemy Minions, You, Your Teammates, Your Minions and Many Abilities. You as the player have the right and responsibility to use this fact to benefit your team. Lets look at some examples of great ways to use this to block incoming Enemies/Damage.

Blocking a Medusa Ultimate

So as stated before can block a majority of things with his wall. This includes 's ultimate ability and some other ults like 's but for the sake of simplicity we're going to use . Now lets say you're waist deep into a team fight and your team is now getting pushed out. The retreat seems to be going smoothly but then all of the sudden. dashes forward and taunts your MID, ADC and JUNGLER and then starts casting . But you as know Wall Fu and quickly place your in front of your allies. ends up staring awkwardly at your wall and your teammates are prevented from running further away allowing time for the taunt to wear off. Congratulations you've just saved your team from a horrible situation.

Zoning an Objective

It's officially Late Game and your team is trying to sneak a kill on the Fire Giant. You've checked to make sure there are no enemy wards so it's a great call. But the enemy team must have realized something was amiss because now the enemy and are looking to contest and steal the buff. But you have Rank 4 . You quickly place an , blocking their chosen entry point and catching 's dash. They are forced to run around and find a new entryway with the Five second wall up. But in those five seconds your team has secured the buff. As the two enemies walk around the corner your newly buffed team can collapse. You just potentially secured Fire Giant and set your team up for a nice double kill.

To Stop Retreating Enemies

This one isn't going to be nearly as long winded as the last one because it's much more straightforward. You see a retreating enemy so you use to stop them. You should generally try to position your wall in a way that it combines with the natural map walls to force them to run to once side. But if you can you should look for what I'm going to call an ANGLED WALL which creates a triangular dead end with the map walls forcing an enemy to turn and run back out and around, giving your team time to collapse.

It's important to note that this ability does not block the damage or effects of any of your other abilities. This ability also works with abilities such as 's It's also super important to note that once you have boots online, placing this as close to your feet as possible while running will Allow you to run through it, blocking off following damage/characters.

Glacial Strike

About this Ability

Frost Breath

About this Ability

In general I'd argue that this ability is the most important part of the Kit. Rivaled by This is your HARD CC pretty much the standard requirement for any Guardian kit. Providing Setup for you, Setup for your teams and all sorts of CC related shenanigans. On my recommended list this is going to be the ability you finish leveling SECOND. So lets get down to the nitty gritty with this ability.

So When Do You Use It?

To Setup Damage

So with the standard HARD CC comes the standard usage of setting up your damage and setting up your team's damage. It hits in a cone, can hit multiple people and applies a stun that scales with level. Ultimately this ability is just huge setup for so many forms of damage including some pretty nasty hard hitting ultimates ( Anyone?)

Teammates aside, this ability combos quite nicely into as well as some other combos, but those will be touched on in the "Combos" Chapter below.

To Interrupt Enemy Damage

One of the great parts about is that it has a very short animation time before it casts. Which means you can use the stun from it to actually interrupt enemy abilities (And basic attack rotations of course). Take for instance 's or 's . Both of these abilities can be interrupted midway by stopping them from doing any significant damage.

With abilities that have windups like you should aim to interrupt them right before the major damage happens (Like the smash from ). With channeled abilities like feel free to interrupt them as soon as possible.

To Zone Enemies

Not so dissimilar to this ability is great when it comes to keeping enemies away from things. So for instance you can use to stop advancing enemies and give your team extra time to escape. Or you can use it (Usually in combination with ) to zone objectives.

It's important to note that this ability goes through walls, including your own so you can use those together to deal damage and apply CC while avoiding return damage.

Shards of Ice

About this Ability

Soooo... Remember when I said this ability has the second highest base damage/scaling in the game when it comes to ultimates? Well I wasn't lying. Just hover over the ability icon to see what I mean. is a charged Area of Effect (AOE) ability that does increasing damage depending on how long you spend charging it (Up to 3 Seconds). It applies a nice slow as well and can be canceled early to do damage based on time spent charging rather than the full charge damage.

So When Do You Use It?

To Deal a lot of Damage

Need I state again that this ability hits like a truck? can be used. to dish out a lot of damage to as many targets as you can fit into that massive circle. Generally you want to Lead up to it with as much CC as possible. Such as into but if your enemy has no escapes you might not even need to. This ability will perform magic tricks on your opponents health bar (Disappearing act anyone?) so feel free to use it for damage as that's what it's there for since it doesn't apply a hard CC like many other guardian ultimates.

To Zone/Force Repositions

This is kinda straightforward. Most people really don't want to step into a giant circle that does the kind of damage does. So you can generally use this ability to keep enemies away or to herd enemies into a spot where you want them to be. The slow alone might be enough to deter many people but that damage is nothing to mess with.

If you have a CC heavy team can be used to corral people into other CC since they will be spending time trying to avoid the damage. Try to coordinate this with your team! And don't forget to detonate early if they are about to get out, some damage is better than none!

To Avoid Incoming Crowd Control

While channeling this ability, is completely CC immune. So if people are chucking a lot of CC at you, don't be too afraid to use if you have to so you avoid the rough stuff and can fight/flee on more or less your own terms. Try to save it if you can though, having an ult is much better.

To Secure Map Objectives

This goes back to the whole doing a ton of damage. Even though Wrath has re-entered the meta with a bang, high damage ultimates are still widely used to secure objectives such as Fire Giant and Gold Fury

When using your ultimate try to estimate the DPS being done to the objective so you can plan your ult start so that it's fully charged just in time to deal the right amount of damage to secure the objective.

It's important to note that this ability goes through walls, including your own so you can use those together to deal damage and apply CC while avoiding return damage. Also remember that you can cancel this ability while it's charging up to do reduced damage.

Ability Combos

Combo Rundown

Items

Support Items

Please hover over the Item Icon to the left to see the detailed information on each item. It seems like a waste of time and space for me to do an extra tab for the item's stats. But if you would prefer me to write those in please let me know in the comments.

Travelers Shoes Travelers Shoes	This is one of two shoes I would generally recommend on any Support. These suckers give a great boost to gold farming capability since Supports generally have a hard time keeping up with the rest of the team. It also gives you a nice boost to movement speed outside of combat so you can rotate faster. You will usually want to sell this item later for one of the other shoes.
Reinforced Greaves	This would be our other culprit for recommended support items. Boasting a nice boost to Health, Damage and CC reduction. It also has a pretty nice passive that boosts your protections a fair bit.

Alternative Movement Items

Shoes of Focus	Of the other two alternative boots. I would call these the more "Support Friendly" since they give MANA and CDR in addition to power. However, they do cost 100 gold more than the ones above.
Shoes of the Magi	These are my least recommended shoes. I'd really only go them if you're trying to do a significantly extra amount of damage in the early game and even then you might want to pick up Shoes of Focus

Sovereignty	Of the physical defense items at your disposal, (There are a lot). This item is in my opinion the most "Supporty" thanks to it's Aura which increases ally Physical Protections and HP5 when you're near them.
Breastplate of Valor	Unlike Sovereignty this item is a more personal item but still does a great job of helping your team since you're still gonna have a lot of protections and your cooldowns will be up more frequently. This will also help diminish any mana issues you might be having.
Spectral Armor	This item is a bit more of a luxury item in my opinion. But it has great stats and a nice passive that can be used to change the course of a teamfight especially when combined with your most-likely teamfight oriented relics.
Witchblade	This item does a fantastic job of making any basic attack oriented gods miserable. Boasting some nice protection stats and a passive that pretty much explains why basic attack gods are going to hate you.

Alternative Physical Defense Items

Midgardian Mail	This particular item doesn't often make it into support builds because it is more used as an item to run away with slowing pursuers. But since you're a frontline tank, people are going to be attacking you so it's not useless
Celestial Legion Helm	I honestly don't know why Hirez put so much physical protection into this item, but they did, it's tied for first on the highest physical protection item in the game and has nice power to boot and a passive that works great against CRIT builders. This is a fantastic item if you're going for a more "tank/bruiser" approach rather than a "support".
Emperor's Armor	This item is a VERY niche item, I would almost never recommend it unless you're going something called a "Siege" comp. This item has some reasonable stats but really shines while pushing/fighting under towers since it slows the attack speed of the tower thus reducing damage taken and allowing you to tank longer. Or if you end up fighting under your own towers it increases the damage output of yours.

Heartward Amulet	Thid item is like the half brother to Sovereignty. It's by far the most "supporty" item on the magical side boasting some nice protections, health and a passive that gives Magical Protections and MP5 to nearby allies.
Bulwark of Hope	Similar to Breastplate of Valor on the physical side, this item isn't quite as team oriented as Heartward Amulet but still has some amazing states and by far one of the best passives in the game in my opinion. It's definitely not a bad item to pick up overall if you're looking to be beefy.
Pestilence	This item is definitely a more "Utility" based item but it plays a big role against a lot of gods. It has some great protections and health and reduces enemy healing just by standing around them. Pretty darn nice in certain situations.
Genji's Guard	This is a bit of a luxury item but it's overall fantastic, boasting some fantastic stats and a pretty nice passive as well. It doesn't have health though so be careful when building it!

Alternative Magical Defense Items

Void Stone	This is like the magical defense side of Celestial Legion Helm in my opinion. If you're looking to be more of a tank/bruiser rather than a hard support you can pick this up to Increase Damage and reduce enemy protections while getting some of your own.
Oni Hunter's Garb	This item is pretty great in a niche environment working exceptionally well against burst mages. It's also got some reasonable, stats in addition to it's passive. If they have bursty mages, you might want to consider this pickup.

Hide of the Urchin	This item is a fantastic hybrid tank item especially if you're winning fights. Boasting Health, Mana, Physical and Magical Protections and a permanently stacking passive, this item is no joke!
Mantle of Discord	This item is another fantastic hybrid tank item that can be a great asset in teamfights and other areas.. Boasting Physical and Magical Protections as well as cooldown reductions and a passive that unleashes a stun when you reach low health. You can definitely look to pick this up whether you're winning or losing, it just works.
Spirit Robe	This item is another good item for a support, it doesn't offer nearly as much in the stat department. But it does gives Cooldown/Crowd Control Reduction as well as boasting a passive that increases your mitigation when hit by a Hard CC. You might want to give this item a shot.
Magi's Blessing Magi's Blessing	This is my least recommended hybrid defense item mainly because it offers VERY poor stats over the other three. However if you're having trouble managing CC this item can help keep you in fights with its passive alone, which absorbs a hard CC effect and makes you immune to new ones for a short time. It also has a great health stat so that's another plus

Winged Blade	If you're playing Ymir you're playing a pretty slow god. The last thing you need is to get slowed even more. This item helps solve that problem and turn the problem into an asset, and even gives you some nice stats to go along with it.
Gem of Isolation	This is a pretty questionable pickup if you're going support. But it doesn't have totally bad stats for a tank and also boasts a nice slowing passive that stacks with the ones already present in your kit. I'd be very careful to make sure you can get away with purchasing it before you do.
Ritual Dagger Ritual Dagger	This item is pretty controversial when it comes to how useful it is. I personally think it's a very Niche item. But if you have time-based relics, you can pick this up to increase their duration by 50% which can be nice in teamfights, but make sure that you can actually get away with building it, not having enough protections can kill you.
Stone of Gaia	You really don't see this item much anymore, but my team has recently started experimenting with it again to good success. So if you're looking to get a bit of extra sustain in the Health/Mana department, you might want to give this a shot as a mid-lategame pickup and I'd love to hear how it works out for you in the comments.

Blink Blink	So as a low mobility god, it can be somewhat difficult to close the gap between you/your team and your enemy team to engage. This relic can help reduce that issue by allowing you to teleport a short distance when you are out of combat. It's on a long cooldown though so watch out!
Curse Curse	This relic is a fantastic Anti-Healing item. And even if your enemy team doesn't have much in the healing department you can still use this to apply a nasty AOE slow to your enemies making it easier for your team to kill them.
Meditation Meditation	This relic has been one of the most controversial relics ever since it became a thing. However it's recently made a strong appearance in the Meta and allows you to have a more significant presence in lane, as well as keep your team in a fight on short notice.
Shell Shell	This relic is a teamfight relic and if you're using it for anything other than that, you're doing it wrong. This provides an AOE buff to your teammates increasing their protections for a short time. Since it's kind of your job to help keep your team alive this is a very nice "Supporty" relic.
Sprint Sprint	This relic is a fantastic teamfighting/retreat relic. Upon use it applies an AOE buff to your team increasing movement speed significantly for a short period of time. It also cleanses and provides slow immunity for the duration. If you have a low mobility team overall or the enemy team is heavy on the slows you might want to invest in this.
Wrath Wrath	This relic is another one that has just recently come back into the meta after a long period of useless nights. It's great for securing/stealing objectives such as the Gold Fury and also can be used to apply a quick stun to an enemy or enemies to help secure kills and save teammates.

Jungling Items (Unfinished)

Shoes of the Magi

As a jungle you're generally going to be looking to do as much damage as possible with your burst. These shoes allow you to do that; giving you the highest Magical Power plus an additional +10 Magical Penetration which will scale very nicely throughout the game. This provides a fantastic early power spike.

Alternative Movement Items

Shoes of Focus

If you're not feeling the pure power route, these boots can be a great alternative to . They don't have as much power and don't give penetration. But they make up for it with a nice boost to Mana and Cooldown % Reduction. This allows you to use your abilities more frequently.

Travelers Shoes
Travelers Shoes

These, (while I don't usually recommend going them on a jungle ) do serve a function if you do decide to take this path. They don't really do much in the damage department although it does provide a slight boost. The good part about this pair of shoes is that they increase your Gold Farming Potential and provide an even greater boost to Movement Speed outside of combat so you can rotate more. With these shoes you actually want to try and be more aggressive so you can get the extra gold passive from them.

Dynasty Plate Helm

This item is a fantastic and inexpensive early game item on Jungle providing Power, Penetration and Physical Defense. It's especially good to pick up items like this on a jungle because it allows you to fulfill the role of a Bruiser/Tank which is important for a guardian jungle. The low cost helps a lot too!

The Builds

Support Build Samples

Again please hover over the Item Icons to see the detailed information on each item. I don't want to spend a lot of extra time writing information into the description that is already readily available on hover. Just let me know if you would prefer a write-in though. I might consider it later.

Travelers Shoes

About this Build

Gameplay

Support Gameplay

I believe shines quite a bit in the early game. He has great early damage and setup plus great wave/camp clear and a very abuse-able passive to dish out damage. At the beginning of the game as the Support you are going to generally rotate to your team's Damage Camp. Your ADC will generally start at the Back Harpies and you and your mid will start the Damage your mid will eventually drop off to help finish the harpies while you tank and leash the Damage camp towards the Midlane to give the midlaner the quickest route into lane. After this you will rotate with your ADC over to the dual boars, taking those out and then heading into the long lane or the "Duo Lane".

At this point you should be deciding what to do based on the matchup you have. has great waveclear and very easily confirmable CC so you can use these to apply pressure to your opponents early. Always look for good opportunities to throw out a so you can apply damage to your enemy laners. Keep an eye out for the enemy jungler/mid and listen to calls carefully to decide where you should position.

You also should be making sure to have your side of the map warded to spot out rotations from the enemy team. The exact spots you should be warding will be touched on in in a later chapter. Also, don't neglect to rotate and counter-rotate around the map to apply pressure and setup kills. You're more than likely going to have a burst mage in MID so you can use your CC to set up damage for him/her.

You should generally start looking to secure at least one Gold Fury before the teams hit midgame to secure a lead or catch up. Especially look for a Gold Fury if you or your team has at least one Wrath online. Make sure you keep ward coverage around that area with s then you should simply try and push your lead or regain lost ground until midgame.

When midgame rolls around, usually around 15-20 minutes into the match, you're going to have a reasonable portion of your final build online and hopefully if things are going even remotely smoothly some nice levels to go with that build. This is the point of the game where you should really be looking for teamfights and picks and to set up pushes on Towers, Gold Fury, and if you're really ahead Fire Giant.

Don't be afraid to initiate a teamfight if you know your team is within range to follow up. Practice takes perfect and if you're a voiced ranked game or playing on a team, you can easily coordinate ability combos with your team to maximize efficiency.

If you win fights, always make sure you're using your pressure to push objectives. Whatever you do, you shouldn't waste time, there is almost always something you can do on the map. This is that point of the game where you can really look to push an established lead to better solidify your lategame. It's much harder to catch up once mid game rolls around but don't stop trying. Do your best to keep up the farm and even if you can't catch up, you can potentially hold the line until lategame.

If you've managed to survive or push your way to lategame. (Perhaps even a one sided lategame in your favor where the enemy team is still stuck at midgame when it comes to builds and farm) this is where you as the support should really be looking to make plays. This is the time where you should generally be grouped as a team with maybe one person split-pushing.

If you haven't yet secured Fire Giant or even if you have, this is the point of the game where both teams should be looking for it and since that is the case this is also the point of the game where teamfights are bound to happen. A Fire Giant secured for either team can spell the difference between victory and defeat. Make sure you're keeping wards up around the map and make sure you have at the very least one person available to rotate over to Fire Giant in case the enemy team rushes it while your team is buying items or something.

As you should definitely be looking to set up teamfgihts since you're a giant tanky ice monster with really nice damage and CC. Just make sure you call what you're doing and then you just have to trust your team to make your efforts worth-while. You should also be paying attention for an opportunity to end the game. If you wiped 3/5 of the enemy team including their carries but you still have your entire team up, you can potentially siege a win. I've seen too many games thrown because a team didn't recognize an end opportunity and let the game go on too long.

Tricks of the Trade

Lets Talk about It

Warding Map

It is important to note that most of the low priority wards will become medium to high priority depending on how ahead or behind you are in the game.

There are a few warding spots that I didn't really touch on because they are generally luxury or starting wards which you usually only place once. These are at the enemy's Speed and Damage camp. But even then you may want to ward one of the enemy's entrances into the center midlane.

Matchups (In Progress)

Opposing Supports

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Athena

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Fafnir

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Geb

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Khepri

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Terra

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Kumbhakarna

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Sylvanus

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Powerful Allies

Coming Soon.

Changelog

11/17/2016 - Minor spelling changes.
12/06/2016 - Insignificant wording edits, added in that Sprint cleanses and provides slow immunity. I'll get around to finishing segments and writing the Jungle/Solo sections in a while.
12/25/2016 - Begun writing/coding the jungling section, still have a lot of work to do.

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Hi, I'm inexpert to SMITE, but I love this game and this guide is Amazing

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Glad you liked it. I'm hoping to update it to the new season soon.

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Tfw you suddenly realize how long it's going to take to finish a guide. Jungling section being worked on currently, then I'll start on the solo section after finishing my guide.

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Hey Estidien,

Alright, now that the contest is over, I wanted to comment a bit more in depth with my opinions. You likely know better than me, so if you think I'm stupid, just give me the middle finger =)

"Meta Build": Is that really meta? I'm just curious, I don't know. Seems interesting for a meta build. I guess if I was incorporating Sov/Heart, I'd probably get them 2nd and 3rd, with maybe 4th for CDR or if we were steamrolling, as it would be easy to get stacks. One thing I will say I did like was your preference for Travelers Shoes, along with your explanation for it...I like all of your explanations actually.

If you get Travelers, I don't know how essential is, especially as last item, except in situational cases where the enemy team has lots of slows. Maybe it's still great to have.

In your build 2, you're overcapping CDR when you get . It's just one of those things I don't like doing...I feel bad when I overcap, lol. Maybe you can still get Travelers instead of Focus? Or get instead of Mantle? Just suggestions.

For builds 2 and 3, how useful is getting and that late? I usually feel that they're much more functional early than late. Maybe instead of those you can offer situational counter items? Things like anti-ADC (e.g. , )?

Actually, having a section for situational items (listing all of the items at the top that you discuss in the items section below) would be nice. Possible to add?

Regarding skill leveling, how important and good is it for you to focus on first? By that, I mean maxing first...his strike is so strong, you don't want to kill the Duo lane minions so I guess you'd only focus on the melee minions and not touch the archers? Yeah, it's great for hitting camps when you rotate...but I guess my preference in a Support role would be to alternate and Strike.

One last thing...I'm god awful with ...I mean, sometimes I'm spot on, but I tend to try to put the wall right in front of a retreating enemy, and end up undershooting, letting them get away while blocking my own teammates...stupid. It CAN be a negative, so a mention of this in cons and/or the skill section would be good.

Anyway, would love your feedback on the above. Great job on the guide.

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Hey Branmuffin17!,

While I'm still a bit bitter over my loss since I don't particularly agree with it (Perhaps some personal bias somewhere in there). I'm glad you stopped by to drop your opinions and suggestions. Now to try and answer/respond, beware, this is gonna be a long one.

In regards to the Meta build. The awkward thing about Ymir "Meta Builds" is that there are like 3 right now for support. I simply listed that one as my Begginer's/Meta build because it's the easiest for Beginner's to pick up and do well with while still being meta oriented. Builds 2 and 3 aren't necessarily meta cookie cutters like build 1 which I plan on changing soon.

Meta 1 = Build 1, seen throughout all levels of smite play in various shapes and forms. It's the more "True Support" build.
Meta 2 = Mildly experienced Smite players sometimes rush into for heavy early CC reduction because IMO is a better item on him than but is a better team item.
Meta 3 = Highly advanced Smite players within organized teams often rush into and try to be an early game harasser.

In regards to build 2 and 3, Getting those items late is still very useful because of the passive/stats it gives. But I'd definitely say it's not super important, I particularly like the idea to include the situational items as alternative up above, I'll have to get to that later. But builds 2 and 3 on the first tab are going to be swapped out soon.

In regards to the late pickup on even with Travelers Shoes. That's kind of the point, since you're going to be selling Travelers Shoes late game for or (Or even ) the additional movement speed from Travelers Shoes is going to disappear so the extra movement speed wont be overkill, nor do I believe that it would be overkill with still built.

Overall I'm going to look to drive some of these points home more now that the contest is over. But right now I'm focusing on getting my guide updated with new formatting and content before I move back to fully completing this guide.

In regards to your skill leveling section. I tried to make it clear that you don't have to max first to be useful with him, in fact we've seen him played excellently with maxed first in the SPL. But when it comes down to it, I personally think maxing one ability first is important on him it gives enemies something to fear, you're either afraid of his CC or afraid of the burst damage from his 2 early. scales very nicely which is why I recommend it as the general first max because the fear of damage is one of the best forms of CC and when that damage comes in the form of CC, that's a double whammy.

But in regards to split leveling on him I generally wouldn't recommend it, but to each his own.

On I included in the cons that he can block himself and his teammates so I think I'll leave it at that since what you described is a specific player error scenario that leads into that con.

Thanks again for dropping by, hopefully this information helps you better understand what I was going for.

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Thanks for the great response!

Had a thought...FYI I forgot that you mentioned selling Travelers later...so, if you get Winged, what about replacing Travelers with ?

I just want to make it clear that my thought with regard to skill leveling is normally not splitting the leveling...for most gods, there's an extremely clear skill that you should max first. With in Jungle, it definitely makes sense to go for first...but as Support, I don't see it hurting his effectiveness much...more individual damage, or still good damage plus a somewhat longer freeze to lock the enemy down for teammates...a good balance...one that's better than most.

Finally, with the negatives on , the specific reason I mention that is because the vast majority of skills don't have the potential to screw things up...they're either straight damage or they lock a god down in some way. One of the best ones I can think of is 's ...bad timing and choice on when to use it can really hurt, so I feel it's worth mentioning...but again that's just me, and it's because I screw both up more often than I'd like. Then again, even a well-placed wall can screw a team's chase potential. Say it's used well, but then the enemy has a jump that gets them past it...and your team just used a Sprint to catch them. So...that one's not necessarily player error, right? Anyway, just thoughts.

Anyway, thanks again on the response, and look forward to seeing the adjustments you're making for your Lunartic guide!

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Another quick question that I would like as many people to answer as possible. Looking at this guide would you be interested in seeing more guides from me using this formatting and depth of content? I know there are a lot of Gods that have been neglected and I of course have my own Awilix guide that would be first on the list to be updated with this new template. But if this overall template and format is well received I could definitely broaden my guide radius, I have only written 2 guides in almost 2 years now. I just want to know if this new style is well received before I take the dive with updating and creating anew.

If so, which Gods should I tackle?

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I think this general style is solid, and you definitely know your stuff, so more guides in this format would be appreciated.

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Hmm what should I say; guess I'll just try to fulfil your wish and grant some praise and suggestions; kind of.

I don't think it's even needed to say that the guide itself is very solid as you know a good deal about making such already; lots of helpful information, well thought-out build options and the whole looks really pretty in the chosen color theme- more than happy to see that the main text color you used throughout the guide doesn't hurt the eyes as it's quite subtle.

As for the suggestions; there were just few things that I thought might be worth mentioning:

in the "About Ymir" section, bottom of the last paragraph: "(Bested only by Anubis" I think it might be missing ")" at the end (?)
Frostbite was buffed somewhere mid-season, and besides its usual basic attack damage bonus, now it also decreases the damage done of every affected enemy by 10%; you might want to add that on the ability description
In "Support Matchups", Fafnir:
"In the teamfighting phase, Fafnir really shines, he just does a lot of damage so you might want to look to interrupt him when he goes into his ultimate to interrupt the extra damage coming out from there."

~maybe I'm reading it wrong, but how I understand it the way it's typed, is that you should interrupt his ultimate (?); which wouldn't be possible due to him being untargettable and immune to damage for the duration of the cast- sorry if I'm missing the point there though
Again, maybe it's just me throwing too much commas/semicolons everywhere, but there were some places I felt they might match well; aspecially in these two fragments:

-"Ability Combos", first one:
"easiest damage combo in Smite History; you simply use a giant cone stun"

-"Support Matchups", Ares:
"god that can do a LOT of damage; I think any of you that have played against even a decent one have learned that"

So hey that'd be it from me I think; your guide didn't have any major flaws so I had to stick to some smaller ones :P

Anyways, great job on that one already, definite upvote.

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Darn me and my English. I'll have to reanalyze some of my wording it seems. And you're right I forgot to insert that tidbit on so I'll have to get around to doing that as well. Thanks for taking the time to read through it Daelinn!

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I'd love to see some "review" on my guide if anyone would be willing. By review I mean praise, bm and suggestions.

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Lol just noticing all of the spelling errors I made when I was tapping portions of this out on my phone.

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Holy hell...this looks damn solid so far. Tons of info on the abilities, and like how the items section is starting.

To everyone else...you can ignore the BBcoding (it's definitely eye-catching, but that's not the most important part). However, you definitely need to consider the level of detail that's being displayed in this unfinished version.

*edit* oops, fix the ability leveling, Estidien.

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Will the BBCoding be one of the main factors into judging?

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I cannot speak for the others. To me, BB coding is nice, and having basic coding with similar content will beat out a wall of grey text. After all, a guide has to draw the reader, and pretty visuals help in that regard.

That said, the content is going to weigh much more heavily to me. A true guide should be able to help not only beginners (by providing basic info) but also possibly help veterans improve their gameplay, or teach them a trick they might not have known before.

Hence my comment to Estidien pointing out the info on the abilities, and why I specifically said BBcoding is NOT the most important part.

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Looool thanks for pointing that out. It's been fixed.

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Ymir Guide: The Walking Popsicle (Conquest In-Depth) (Support Guide)

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Table of Contents

Introduction

Patch Updates

About Ymir

Pros/Cons

Ability Rundown

Ability Combos

Items

The Builds

Gameplay

Tricks of the Trade

Warding Map

Matchups (In Progress)

Powerful Allies

Changelog

Ymir Guide: The Walking Popsicle (Conquest In-Depth) (Support Guide)

Smite God: Ymir

Ymir Build

The Beginner's/Meta build (The "True" Support") Versatile Auras/Protections [Sell Traveler's for Focus late]

Starting Items (Standard)

Build 2 Sample: Meta Build (The CC Spammer) First 3 Are Core, Rest are sample recommended.

Starting item Options

Ymir's Skill Order

Ice Wall

Glacial Strike

Frost Breath

Shards of Ice

Introduction

Patch Updates

About Ymir

Pros/Cons

Ability Rundown

Ability Combos

Items

The Builds

Gameplay

Tricks of the Trade

Warding Map

Matchups (In Progress)

Powerful Allies

Changelog

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