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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Chiulin » January 4, 2015 9:56pm | Report
Did they change Zhong? Last time I played he was complete trash and free farm. o.O

I don't understand how Athena isn't S tier. That is just mind blowing....

Bacchus, Chronos, and Vamana in A tier? I know from experience that Bacchus is ****. Period. He literally is out performed by any other god.... Chronos just has issues(he can't really farm well, so in a profesional enviroment it isn't realistic to say he could outperform pretty much any other god), Vamana is a very niche pick at best.

Also, Kukulcan should be -Z tier. He has nothing except an ult that this day in age is mediocre at best anyways....
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » January 4, 2015 10:21pm | Report
Did you see Gamehunter's Vamana pick up the penta in the super tournament? Vamana is very strong, even if they don't have a ton of physical. He's tanky with damage, a knockup, slow, waveclear, sustain, and initiation. He's not excellent at any one of them, but he is solidly above average with all of them, combining to one just really solid god. He's like the better, warrior version of Ullr.

I don't quite know why Athena isn't S. I guess he was listing one of each role in the S slot for "which god in this role is the top ban priority." Athena is good but I do indeed think Sylvanus is better. Although I agree I think they should share the slot.

Bacchus is trashed a lot on here, but he certainly isn't bad. He's been picked up a ton on tournaments or even small scrims, from joust to arena to conquest. He does what he does well, and he's very very strong against teams that have more than just the hunter as an auto attacker (like a solo lane chronos or a jungle kali) just because that ultimate is SO damn long and annoying, yet it's SUCH good purification beads bait. And unlike Ares, he still functions average to above average without his ult.

Chronos isn't that bad. He's definitely picked up very often in tournaments (I watched him very recently both in mid and solo lane, although he has lost the mid lane matchups slightly more than average). He's a mage that can't just have protections or magi's blessing used against him, because he's sustained damage. That's really really valuable that people don't realize. So many mages can have just an item or active bought against them and get wrecked by it because their burst is gone. If you aegis against a chronos, it doesn't hurt him nearly as much as avoiding scylla's ult and crush.



As for Kukulkhan, I guess that's why he's sharing D tier. just like SS+ tier is reserved for HORRIFICALLY broken gods, he wants to save F tier for people who literally cannot be picked. Kukulkhan still does bring solid damage and serious waveclear which is actually really valuable - it forces the team to tank tower, because a minion wave will *never* arrive. But his other glaring problems mean he is D, just not F.

(I don't mean to say you're wrong btw, I'm just giving my two cents on why I think those gods are where they are)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Arvorus » January 4, 2015 10:31pm | Report
Decent tier-list. I don't agree with some of his god placements (personally, I think Nox and Athena should switch places), but other than that, it's good.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Chiulin » January 4, 2015 10:41pm | Report
Raventhor wrote:

Did you see Gamehunter's Vamana pick up the penta in the super tournament? Vamana is very strong, even if they don't have a ton of physical. He's tanky with damage, a knockup, slow, waveclear, sustain, and initiation. He's not excellent at any one of them, but he is solidly above average with all of them, combining to one just really solid god. He's like the better, warrior version of Ullr.

I don't quite know why Athena isn't S. I guess he was listing one of each role in the S slot for "which god in this role is the top ban priority." Athena is good but I do indeed think Sylvanus is better. Although I agree I think they should share the slot.

Bacchus is trashed a lot on here, but he certainly isn't bad. He's been picked up a ton on tournaments or even small scrims, from joust to arena to conquest. He does what he does well, and he's very very strong against teams that have more than just the hunter as an auto attacker (like a solo lane chronos or a jungle kali) just because that ultimate is SO damn long and annoying, yet it's SUCH good purification beads bait. And unlike Ares, he still functions average to above average without his ult.

Chronos isn't that bad. He's definitely picked up very often in tournaments (I watched him very recently both in mid and solo lane, although he has lost the mid lane matchups slightly more than average). He's a mage that can't just have protections or magi's blessing used against him, because he's sustained damage. That's really really valuable that people don't realize. So many mages can have just an item or active bought against them and get wrecked by it because their burst is gone. If you aegis against a chronos, it doesn't hurt him nearly as much as avoiding scylla's ult and crush.



As for Kukulkhan, I guess that's why he's sharing D tier. just like SS+ tier is reserved for HORRIFICALLY broken gods, he wants to save F tier for people who literally cannot be picked. Kukulkhan still does bring solid damage and serious waveclear which is actually really valuable - it forces the team to tank tower, because a minion wave will *never* arrive. But his other glaring problems mean he is D, just not F.

(I don't mean to say you're wrong btw, I'm just giving my two cents on why I think those gods are where they are)


Gamehunter did that before all those Vamana nerfs though.

He has Geb and Sylvanus in S+, then the next supports are A tier in which he pairs Athena with Bacchus....

Bacchus just doesn't really outperform anything. I'd probably put him B tier at best.

I'd have to see more of Chronos I guess.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » January 5, 2015 12:17am | Report
Vamana really didn't get hit too hard with any of the nerfs though. Everything I stated he still has. Not even his mana consumption is bad. He's just kinda solid.

And bacchus doesn't outperform, but the only underperformance he has is mana consumption, which can easily be patched up. Just give the blue buff to him instead of the hunter when you do it. Very few hunters are really that bad off anyway. And then he transitions very well throughout the game. Sure his stun can be interrupted, but it makes him a huge target which soaks up CC that should be used on someone else, or else he stuns the whole team (or anyone in the cone). Additionally his belly flop is significantly accessible, undodgeable, and short on CD.

I just feel like Bacchus gets way more **** than he deserves tbh.

But as I said, I do agree that Athena should be moved up.

Also my bad, I didn't realize he had two guardians, it's the solo lane he neglected to S+ tier. But I can see Athena moving up. She's solid and there's not much downside to her other than lack of CC without taunt. Taunt is very very strong, yes, but it IS her only CC.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Chiulin » January 5, 2015 12:35am | Report
Raventhor wrote:


Also my bad, I didn't realize he had two guardians, it's the solo lane he neglected to S+ tier. But I can see Athena moving up. She's solid and there's not much downside to her other than lack of CC without taunt. Taunt is very very strong, yes, but it IS her only CC.


In a teamfight it's beads or die with that taunt though. It just lasts sooooo longgggg.

That and she has a global ult, literally allowing her to be where she needs to be almost 100% of the time.

Her early game damage is also ridiculous. Have you ever seen a shield wall followed up with a taunt and a neith root to allow the second hit. It's gg.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TheGenocideLord » January 5, 2015 5:01am | Report
Yeah pretty much Chiulin said. It was actually a little weird because in November I got this huge increase of games I got super focused as Athena just because of mid-late game presence. The jungler would literally come come across the map when he saw it was just me alone farming and their duo still there. It got really funny once because we were getting the GF, I secured it. They still came anyways so we had a huge teamfight. They dumped everything on me, cc, debuffs, ultimates. I miraculously survived due to my tankiness and immediately gtfo. Well, since they wasted everything on me and they chased me to my side of the map, it was pretty easy deicide conditions for my team. The lobby rage was amazing :D. Once I even got a guy that said, in a serious manner, "Athena taunt too op, Hi-rez should nerf it."
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Vaeldyn » January 5, 2015 5:06am | Report
I don't understand all the hate vs Zhong Kui btw. Even competitiv stopped playing him suddenly, but totally unrelated to any patches. Yeah you could buff his Ult just a slight little, but his kit has enormous teamfightpresence (don't ever underestimate his stun), with Gem of iso+Warlocks+Etheral he is nearly unkillable (full passive stacks) and 1 ult easily slows ALL enemies for a long time (PLUS slow+damage from his card).
I would go for At least A-Tier if not S-Tier for ZK.

And I agree that Athena should be A at least. After Geb and Sylvanus she is the strongest tank imo. Then Sobek and Ymir on the same lvl, then Bacchus/Ares on low tier (I dislike Bacchus as a guardian..)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Devampi » January 5, 2015 7:20am | Report
If I look at his rank description a lot of gods are standing on the wrong place (out of A tier). Kali should be lower her late game is beast but if you can't get too it if you aren't experienced with her or fed (or counterjungled)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by HolyPudding » January 5, 2015 9:04am | Report
I agree with this mostly, but I believe Athena should be S tier while AMC and Xbal should switch places. Xbal brings far more to a fight than muzen does.
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