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Suggesting that it's dumb to attack Hercules when he has activated is far different than suggesting that someone is stupid 4-5-6 times.

It is pointless to attacking him when it's activated, yes. Unless you can burst him down before he heals, any damage is wasted effort. That is what makes him OP. He can fight you, then heal it all back while you suffer. The 1k+ damage dealing BOULDER that can hit more than once is also just ridiculous.

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Jara - Have you ever herd of a little friend called "Aegis" if his ult is that much of a problem you should buy the active item for 250g its not that much.

When people face pos they buy Aegis for his Kracken what makes this any different?
Looky here Aegis coutners his ult so that is now one thing you have completely countered from him. By the way hercules has no real good escape like thor, vamana, ect.

Nothing besides MINIGATE WOUNDS could be OP because they can all be easily countered.
Actually why didn't I just do this in the first place.
OP THINGS ABOUT HERCULES
- Late game minigate wounds, ONLY if a team decides to attack him and not finish him off while he uses it.

COUTNERS TO HERCULES
- Aegis for his ult BAM COUTNERED
- Stay out of his 2 range BAM COUNTERED
- if you are out of his 2 range you are also out of his 1 range BAM COUNTERED
- if you are out of his 2 and 1 range then you are out of his melee range BAM COUNTERED

So as you can see you can counter EVERY aspect of Herulces besides late game FAILURE MINIGATE WOUND ATTACKS and IMO that is still countered by just waiting or bursting him down.

So let me ask you this, if you can counter 3 out of 4 of his abilities whos fault is it if you die by him seriously?

Thor - Hammer range/telaport
Thor - Easy long range stun
Thor - Super long range ult
Thor - Spin 2 Win

Vamana - baby dash escape
Vamana - high damage AOE
vamana - long range baby throw disk
vamana - healing ult/damage/protection ult ect.

Guan Yu - Short range dash
Guan Yu - Spinning sword of shortness that does alot of damage
Guan Yu - Heal
Guan Yu - horsey!!! Can be used to escape

Fenrir - Escape/high damage leap
Fenrir - slash your brains out nuff said
Fenrir - lifesteal/extra AD FTW
Fenrir - Big doggy doggy ult come here boy!

Every god has some moves you can counter, but HERCULES is easily avoidable damage and he can't
escape. IMO all the bruisers are strong as ****.

Actually now that I think about it, if hercules didn't have minigate wounds he would be ****ty because he has no escape and has to get close

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Freya's 1-2 combo can basically be beaten by a stun.

Only time I ever got mad abut facing a Hercules was yesterday. Due to him being very good and timing his Ult right when his pull in ability triggered. Doesn't help that it was me on an Isis with a Cupid against him and a Fenrir. We literally couldn't dps one down fast enough before they could kill us. On average, most Hercules players are not that great and even then; there are gods that can own him easily.

Thor is a pain but his 3 can be beat by a stun.

Sobek is annoying and that's about it. So what that he has only damage abilities; he doesn't have a stun or root. His most dangerous ability is his charge that throws you behind him. Basically, putting you in bad spots.

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I would just like to point out, Zero, that while there are things you can do against them, that doesn't make them not overpowered. Stun is the hardest CC in the game - 0 movement, can't aegis, 0 movement. It's a super-silence-root. It counters every single god, no one is good during a stun.

And sobek doesn't need a stun or a root. He has a fling and a knockup, and is MADE to initiate - a tank's strongest asset to the team.

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funny that his flip stuns ^_^.

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By the way I just played a game with Herucles, I'm taking a break from smite today after this game because smite is making me a no lifer.

Anyways These are the items I had
- Pen boots
- Sovereignty
- Focused Void Blade
- Bulwark of Hope
- Jotunn's Wrath

So I had 3 defensive items, the match ended before I could buy the last item.

Anyways, At level 20 with all my skills maxed out even while going 7-5 meaning I had enough gold to buy things, I got **** on in literally about 2-3 seconds by their entire team.

Even with 3 defensive items and using my 3 I still got ripped to shreds in under 4 seconds.

Even if I was to start healing that back they would just keep ripping me to shreads before I could heal it all back. Its not as if its a instant heal, its over time heal with the first 4 seconds leaving you able to get ripped to shreads.

They had, Anubis, Neith, Odin, Cupid, Zhong Kui.
once I got wrapped up by Anubis just call the wambulance because you have a dead hercules.

Btw I got wrapped up even while using my 3 and having defensive items and they still ripped me to shreds before I could heal it back.

I could post the match up but I'm sure you would be tired of me posting pictures all day long of every match I play.

The thing is to "BURST HERC DOWN or DON'T FIGHT HIM WHEN HE USES HIS 3 SIMPLE AS THAT"

Everyone else that match was smart enough to run from me why can't any body else do the same? Cupid knew too run, anubis knew to run, odin didn't give a damn

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How did you get outrun by an anubis.

And only bulwark of hope? I'm really not surprised you got wrecked by an anubis. Voidblade doesn't count as a defensive btw.

They have 2 mages and 2 carries. I really don't know why you think a match with that much damage can account for hercules not being overpowered. Really not that surprising when 4 hypercarries focus a single target.

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Well then, I would like to point out that most gods either have a stun or a way to escape so they can get away from the damage. Some even have both. So almost every god will have some defense mechanisms against Thor, Freya, and Hercules.

Most tanks have a solid way to initiate. Hades' first ability is a dash that opens up a possibility to add a fear to a silence, more damage to a short range damage ability, or decreased defense against an Ultimate attack.

Ares when doing a aura defense/CDR build will actually be able to cast No escape quicker than any bead cooldown after the first usage. No better way to help out a team than being able to do a enemy group pull into a powerful stun that will never be beaded out of the second time used.

Stick Odin with a certain list of gods and you can easy kills all the time.

Sobeks fling is pretty much the best thing he has going for him. If he goes for a dps build, then he'll die quite quickly in a team fight. Especially if he misses with his fling. If he's a tank build, they his other attacks will not be that powerful.

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..... What?

Where did I say I got out ran by Anubis?
I said "once Anubis wraps you up you can say you are a dead Hercules"

Maybe you don't know this but Anubis doesn't need to be in melee distance to wrap you up.

By the way 50 Physical defense with focused voidblade is a good amount of a stat for defense. It may not be top tier as in pure defense but its still a good stat for defense while giving you the attack and pen it does.

Add on the 65 + 20 defense from sov. and I have good physical defense anyways.

Not to mention that adds 20 magical defense as well added on the the bulwark of hope which is 60 defense I think. Not only that but the passive reduces damage when on low hp SO THAT SHOULD FURTHER INCREASE MY CHANCES OF LIVING YET I STILL WAS ABLE TO GET BURSTED DOWN.

On top of that sov and bulwark of hope both provide health as a stat. Health isn't as good as protections but when you get HEALTH as added stat that means HEALTH protects you against both physical and magical just in smaller amounts.

AND THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT

A good Hercules does not build full tank.
A good Hercules builds half if not half than a majority of his items for Damage.

I am saying that if I was too die quick its because the other team KNOWS HOW TO KILL HERCULES.

Should you complain about Chronos? After all the way you fight Chronos is almost like Hercules in some ways. You don't burst Chronos down when he has his ult up the same way you don't try to attack hercules when he heals unless you know they will die.

In order to kill hercules you have to either burst him down during his heal or simply NOT ATTACK.

In order to kill Chronos you have to either burst him down while he uses his ult or he simply gets all his HP back.

Again Chronos is almost the same as Hercules in a sense. You have to know how to damage them to kill them. If you TRY to burst chronos and fail he will ult and get all his HP back.

The way you kill Chronos is by doing damage over time so he can't heal it back at once or burst him down super fast so he can't heal everything back up.

THE SAME AS HERCULES. If you can't handle Hercules I guess you can't handle Chronos either since he can ult everything back also.

Chronos is actually worst, its quicker and he gets mana back

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I agree totally with ICEN here where Hercules is concerned, he is not OP.

His 3 is what makes him unique, it's designed specifically to work alongside his passive, it could even be seen as part of his 'escape', since he has little to no real one.

Imagine if he had a leap instead, that would make him much more OP than his heal.

Some of you seem to have the very wrong idea that it's an invincibility mode or a guaranteed survival, it's not at all... if you think it takes 14 seconds from the point of activation to get the health back, that is A Long Time in Smite.

I play Herc quite a lot and I can say with certainty that it is not even close to invincibility, even at rank 5 his 3 will not save you from a 1v2 burst. Hell, even one from a solo Loki, assuming levels and stuff are around equal. Not to mention high mana cost from his small pool and the relative uselessness of the early ranks.

If you're in a match and Hercules' heal is really causing you that much trouble then you probably shouldn't be attacking him solo and if you are then there are several options for reducing enemy healing.

The only god that I think is truly OP at the minute is Loki, his damage coupled with ridiculous escapes and his ability to solo lane like a boss with just one skill...

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