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to get it blunt.

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But on some unfortunate gods, or if Loki gets fed, you just can't do ANYTHING.

I was Artemis, solo lane, and I saw and heard Loki coming. I was under the tower when he cast Decoy and hit me from behind. I died in three hits, stunned him with the bear post-mortem, and died.

A few minutes later, he came back, but this time he just simply ulted me on the spot. I popped my boar as soon as I was able, only for him to ****ING VANISH [/rage] and run away.

He proceeded to repeat this all match, forcing me to recall as I simply couldn't do anything. I ended up underleveled and we lost.

My point being: What could I have done? I was under my tower, surrounded by wards, ultimate at the ready. I don't think I could've been better positioned or prepared. I even bought Purification Beads, which was useless as I couldn't move fast enough to get out of his melee range once he teleported.

On the other hand, I did kill him once by popping my boar at the exact same moment he used his ult. Result: Loki trapped for 4.3 seconds under the tower. That was the only good thing to come out of that match.

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I think a good idea would be if Towers ignored stealth and decoys. Bam, Loki can no longer tower dive without penalty. Simple, easy, and I think it's quite reasonable.

Not really that unique. I mean, what if that was a fed Ne Zha coming for you? You're just as screwed. What about Thor? He can get in the air far enough into the jungle for you not to hear him, and can proceed to rip you apart before the boar even gets deployed. Really, countering fed assassins alone when you play a squishy should be exceedingly difficult as that is pretty much where assassins are designed to shine. Loki is even more heavily designed for this than anyone else, so I think it's fair. He has huge issues in teamfights after all.

Also, towers already ignore stealth, at least in certain situations. I'm not 100% up to speed on the rules of stealth.

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But on some unfortunate gods, or if Loki gets fed, you just can't do ANYTHING.

well there's your problem.

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Well.. if I hear a Loki and I'm alone and I got no Aegis or Beads or any skill that can help me and no tower is close to me... I'd just [VEL] it. Just spend your last breaths laughing it off! YOLO!

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Well, all I know is that Decoy taunts towers, and Vanish is still targetable by towers. But the fact that Loki can just nullify a tower for a few seconds is ridiculous enough, considering it takes only a few seconds for him to kill another squishy. And I just tested it in joust a few moments ago.

And Kripox, I have a question for you: Even if he is fed, should Loki be able to do that? At that early stage of the game? (He wasn't fed the first few times he dived.)

Also, even if Ne Zha was fed, you can actually dodge him and such. Alright, maybe you can't avoid those Universe Ring Toss bounces, but you can avoid and dodge most of him. Same for a lot of gods. Loki is unique in that he robs you of one of your senses when you fight him. It's like comparing a amphibious predator to a purely aquatic one.

Also, you simply cannot react to his ult. That is unique. You can see Thor in the distance, and there is a small delay between Isis' ult and immediate detonation, but Loki's, you simply can't see coming. That is what I have a problem with.

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And Kripox, I have a question for you: Even if he is fed, should Loki be able to do that? At that early stage of the game? (He wasn't fed the first few times he dived.)

Also, even if Ne Zha was fed, you can actually dodge him and such. Alright, maybe you can't avoid those Universe Ring Toss bounces, but you can avoid and dodge most of him. Same for a lot of gods. Loki is unique in that he robs you of one of your senses when you fight him. It's like comparing a amphibious predator to a purely aquatic one.

Also, you simply cannot react to his ult. That is unique. You can see Thor in the distance, and there is a small delay between Isis' ult and immediate detonation, but Loki's, you simply can't see coming. That is what I have a problem with.

Yes he should. Assuming you were full health and same level he had to have leveled his damaging abilities only, which means his lane clear was atrocious and jungle clear very slow by other standards. Getting high lethality in return is fair.

You can also dodge Loki. I have done so on several occasions, and I have also been dodged. Of course, it's a very different thing, but simply by running around in an erratic pattern as soon as you hear him you can make stuff difficult for him. If he misses the ult he is guaranteed to lose the engagement if you're quick to activate your boar. If we go with Ne Zha as the counterexample, he can hit you with a ring bounce to slow you and try to catch you with his . If he hits you can pretty much kiss your *** goodbye. If he misses he has only lost a bit of mana and not put himself in undue danger by going under the tower like Loki would.

As for the ult, you cannot react to it per se, but you can stop it. Just like you can see Thor in the distance if you decide to gaze into the sky, you can also see Loki coming at you or hear him go invisible close by. An Aegis, a dash/jump, CC immunity ult activation or a good dodge can all foil his attack. It's harder, sure, but I've been ****-blocked my fair share of times by savvy opponents.

I've played Loki quite a bit and I have always felt he is a powerful yet often overrated god. And again, the main counters to Loki are sound and sticking with your team. As a super high burst assassin it should not be a surprise when he kills you if you're all alone and playing a squishy.

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Actually, he seemed to be mixing his levels a bit. I don't think he left Decoy at level one, as it was easily one-shotting the back minions, but I doubt he maxed it first. He had started with the Heartseeker and was farming stacks from level one, since his Decoy clears waves too well, and at level 5-8 90 physical power is ridiculously effective, leveled skills or not. He also got meditation early.

Summary: With his great scaling and Heartseeker, Loki doesn't need leveled damage skills to kill, or at least in early level. Either that, or his basics were simply dealing a ridiculous amount of damage on their own.

And you can't deny that it's frustrating to have your ultimate foiled by a stupid, 15-second cooldown ability.

I will try your dodging tip though. I also heard that standing on your own trap works, but I can't test it. (Artemis' trap seems to be glitchy; I've seen multiple gods dash through it, but it doesn't hold them, yet they still take damage. Tyr is one.)

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If you use Creeping curse when u suspect an invisible loki, It acts as a spy check and u can see "immune" at loki's location, from there u just CC him and there ya go, loki = ****ed.

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I find Loki to be one of the most easy god to counter. Any form of CC will expose his location if vanished and many will take him out of his clock entirely. All you need is AoE CC and good timing to counter him. I can't even recall how many times I heard/saw Loki vanish while playing Thanatos, turned around to expose my back (so he would focus me); waited a second then quickly turned around and cast pulling him out of his clock allowing me to take half his health with a to the face.

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