Smitefire Tavern Worldbuilding Thread

Point 1: "for the so i never said the council was evil. my character sees them as evil because they did what he deemed evil. killing his parent's. all4 is in no way a decent part of society. nor does he sees the council as a good government."

Counterpoint 1: Don't try to deny the obvious. Pretty much everyone thinks that killing entire families is evil. I don't care if you never said so directly, that is what you showed in your posts. You can't have the Council kill off hundreds of people, including children, and then say they aren't evil.

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Point 2. "the attack on the fortress was realistic. that is something that happend in the dark age's. invasion's on castle's, forteresses etc. they killed the assassin's because they kept killing numerous council member's trough out history. they killed people man,woman or child but never all of them."

Counterpoint 2: I don't know what you thought the so-called Dark Ages were like, but firstly, castle sieges were NOT common. Saying something is 'realistic' doesn't mean you can have it happen without reason.

And now you give the reason: The Assassins have been killing Council members for centuries. Oookaay...and for centuries, the Council have never taken countermeasures? They haven't invaded earlier, and they haven't tried protecting themselves? No, wait, I can guess this one. The Assassins went through all their protections, because they were that good. And for some reason, the Council is still corrupt after having it's corrupt members killed for centuries? What the ****?

Lastly, if you kill an entire city full of people, but killed only half the children, does that make you not evil? Stop trying to have it both ways. Either the Council kills children and other civilians, or they don't. You make it sound like they just randomly spare people for no reason. "Oh, I'll butcher this fortress of my hated enemies, and I'll kill scores of children, but leave some alive, because otherwise people will think we're evil." Makes zero sense.

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Point 3: he get's really rich from doing six damm years of assassintating people so yes he has a big bag of gold for the bartender of he want's to give it away he can because he does not care for it.

i never said he was afraid of being hunted down, killed or other variations on that. he trained to have skill's to fight that or escape that. that is part of an RP to have skills that reflect your class. if you go over the top you tow it down.

Counterpoint 3: You just said earlier that this guy is aware that a lot of people want him dead and are looking for him. I assumed that he would be afraid of being noticed and killed, since you said numerous times that he hides his face.

If he is not afraid of being discovered, and if he has undergone training, then he is the single most overpowered guy I have ever seen. So you're saying he isn't afraid of: The Council, members of the Council, families of the Council, the guard of the Council, the entire Depelle Batallion, the powerful people leading the council, and every bit of law enforcement under the sun? HE'S NOT AFRAID OF THEM BECAUSE HE HAS 'TRAINING?'

This guy is overpowered. I'll state that right here. He's overpowered. He's just one guy, and apparently, he's not afraid of entire armies coming to shank his ***. Because he 'trained.'

All4Games, there is something called "Suspension of Disbelief." This is a term for our attitude toward fantasy. We all know that magic doesn't exist, but we enjoy Harry Potter because we suspend our disbelief. We can temporarily ignore the nonexistence of magic to enjoy things that feature magic.

But what if I say that paranoid Rat-men are secretly controlling the world with demonic rituals, all while pretending to be famous politicians and celebrities by wearing their skin? At a certain point, it becomes impossible to ignore that what is happening is impossible. And I'll say this: Your character is impossible.

Part of the fun in...everything, really, is watching characters struggle. If Ezio simply used a bow to snipe his enemies, the game would be over in five minutes, since all of his targets conveniently walk into sniper territory like a dumbass. Without struggle, there is no conflict. Without conflict, there is no sense of victory. Without victory, what is the point?

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Point 4: my guy NOT invinceble.

and let me make this specificly very clear to you becaus you either never react to when im saying it.

you are the one implying most of my char's god mode power's he apperently has!

now let me make this clear to you once and for all. HE DOES NOT WHERE HEAVY ARMOR, HE DOES NOT HAVE SUPER HUMAN STRENGHT, HE CAN ESCAPE MOST SITUATIONS BECAUSE THAT IS NEEDED (il explain that later... again), HE HAS HIGH MOBILITY, HE CAN KILL VAMPIRE'S IF HE GOES ABOUT IT SMART AND LASTLY TO ENVISIZE ON IT EVEN MORE I NEVER ONCE SAID HE WAS ULTRAPOWERFULL, THAT WAS AND STILL IS COMPLETLY YOU.

Counterpoint 4: Two points.

First, I realized that your character wore leather armor. If you'd go back to my first tavern fight scene (one with fire), you'd see that I changed my post. I never mentioned heavy armor again.

Secondly, yes, he is superhuman. All4 has constantly displayed superhuman abilities. You said it yourself in your backstory. Remember where every family member takes a journey, and they get "gifts" of "strength, speed, and etc?" He could sense the Editor through the tavern floor, or did you forget that part? He could snatch a knife out of the air after it cut his cheek, or did you forget that too?

What, do you want links?
https://www.smitefire.com/smite/forum/off-topic/smitefire-tavern-2990?page=4

That's the part where you sense an Editor teleport away through the tavern floor.

https://www.smitefire.com/smite/forum/off-topic/smitefire-tavern-2990?page=3

That's the part where you snatch a knife AFTER it cuts your cheek.

This is not a battle you can win, All4Games.

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Point 5: all our char's have something that makes them stand out from NPC's. for one: one of the rule's is that we can't die unless we our self's kill us off. that means that we can't die to each other, npc's or fight's. that will leave out a few possible out comes to those specific situations.

1 is that we win because we can't die and we have to progress with the story.
2 is that we escape the fight
3 is that we lose, get taken to prisson and escape because we can't die and need to progress the story.
4 is that we lose, get taken to prisson and we get help to escape.

ergo we are all invinceble to some degree. almost all of these senario's have played out.

so yes he is reletivly OP compared to npc's but compared to other char's he has been fairly balenced for a while now.

Counterpoint 5: These rules don't exist. This isn't a video game, where the hero always wins. This is roleplaying, which had always been defined by it's adherence to reality.

For instance, if Sir decided to fight Selyna and every other Mage on the Council at once, he will die. I'm serious. I would kill him off. Because that is what would happen.

He could worm his way out. He could escape. Maybe someone would come to his rescue. He could plead for mercy and live. But if he fought them to the death, he would die.

I'm not the kind of guy who makes convenient plot devices to help his players. Even Symon's release was rooted in reality - Sir's backstory.

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Point 6: he did his training, studies and other neccesary objective's to become powerfull enough to in this quest find the editor's which is already 100% made sure will happen at some point because of the 4 reason's metioned above. we are quiet litterly unstoppable.

pysical probleme's he can handle because that is what his training was mostly ment to do. mentally he won't give up because he has a goal letting him solf those probleme's though he still get's affected by them trough feeling's like regret.

Counterpoint 6: Nope. Like I said before, you can't do that. You can't say, "Oh, the hero always meets the villain," and then say, "So I don't have to explain how the hero met the villain."

I will NOT have a Boring Invincible Hero. I will NOT!

For God's sake, stop saying the word training. I will illustrate my point with a guy named Gideon Jura, from Magic the Gathering.

Gideon is a planeswalker, a being who can travel to other dimensions, or 'planes.' He has had military training and is very skilled with his weapons. Throughout his travels, he meets many friends and foes. He easily defeats other soldiers, not only because he's one of the best soldiers in his home plane, but because he has magic and they do not.

Then the Eldrazi came. The Eldrazi are a bunch of soulless, life-devouring monstrosities. Gideon could fight them. He could kill the little ones. He used everything he had. But against the huge Eldrazi Titans, he got his *** whooped and was almost killed. His training did not teach him to fight freaking Cthulhu. He failed.

You can't just say, "this guy's training means he's unbeatable physically." Just saying a guy trained doesn't mean he can fight tigers. Martial Artists train for years, maybe even decades, but they'll get killed just as easily as the next man when they're stabbed in the eye, and their training isn't very effective against wolves and tigers.

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Point 7: sub i have no clue what your real probleme is but i know mine with you and that is that you imply way to much and think you can read my mind.

(ac has very few similarities with it though yes there defently are part's i took from that story.
i did make them different in almost all cases and there are far less then you think there are.
the order of assassin's part could be from a lot of series because it's a fairly large used group. i personnaly took more from the darkbrotherhood in the form of assassin clan then from the ac series since they litterly are the greates assassin's of tamriel and do it more center'd around money. which while all4's motive to take down the council is more focused appon it is not his famalies goal.

... i really don't know what is with the love interest maria. i just picked a genaric female name for it that wasn't ugly. was she altair's wife or was it ezio's sister... i don't remember i haven't played ac since the fiasco known as revelations and 3.)

Counterpoint 7: The only bit of media I know with a huge group of assassins is AC. Almost every point you made sounded like something from AC, specifically Altair's story. I honestly wasn't sure if you were copying or not, but one thing solidified it for me: Maria.

Maria was Altair's love interest, and she died fighting one of his enemies too. If you truly weren't copying off of Assassin's Creed, then this is all a very unfortunate coincidence.