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Item Discussions: O-Bow vs. Ichaival

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » November 2, 2014 10:34pm | Report
*viable

There's technically a lot of items. Just not many good ones.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » November 2, 2014 11:08pm | Report
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Ravenous Hydra. Junglers and top laners alike would literally laugh at anyone who thought of using it. Only one pro jungler seriously did - Brokenshard. And people mocked him for picking it up on Kha'Zix. And then suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere, everyone did. This was before the Bloodthirster changes, too. Nothing at all changed, people just finally decided to test it out, and it was suddenly the go-to lifesteal item for junglers, since most were AD casters with nothing to do between abilities.

What the hell are you talking about? Ravenous Hydra was always good. People always use something more often because a streamer/youtuber/popular person uses it, but he didn't turn a garbage item into a good one. RH was always good, and never seen as "garbage." Maybe at lower divisions, people thought it was bad, because active items don't exist below silver.

And Bloodthirster has always been used fairly often throughout its history, both before and after the rework. There was a lag when it got changed, yeah, but there's always a testing phase when an item is changed. It's never suddenly changed from nothing to everything.

Also, you got it wrong, BotRK was the go-to LS item for junglers. Seriously, WTF? Why the **** would you miss out killing Dragon and Baron way faster?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by HiFromBuddha » November 2, 2014 11:37pm | Report
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What the hell are you talking about? Ravenous Hydra was always good. People always use something more often because a streamer/youtuber/popular person uses it, but he didn't turn a garbage item into a good one. RH was always good, and never seen as "garbage." Maybe at lower divisions, people thought it was bad, because active items don't exist below silver.

And Bloodthirster has always been used fairly often throughout its history, both before and after the rework. There was a lag when it got changed, yeah, but there's always a testing phase when an item is changed. It's never suddenly changed from nothing to everything.

Also, you got it wrong, BotRK was the go-to LS item for junglers. Seriously, WTF? Why the **** would you miss out killing Dragon and Baron way faster?


Ravenous Hydra started out bad. Tiamat was previously a cheese item that was bought on things like Fiora and Shyvana for their multi-hit capabilities, and that was the only use for it, for ***** and giggles.

When the rework of the item came along, people realised their cheese strategies didn't work anymore, and wrote the item off as one of those items that were 'meh' as it didn't serve the previous 'function' of the item at all. RT is right in saying that Brokenshard was the one that was able to breathe new life into what the item should be used for, extra burst and faster clears. It's like a lot of new things, bad until people actually figure out their uses, and then they become good. It's pretty much like new champs such as Azir, Lucian and Nami.

BotRK isn't the go to lifesteal item, it's the go to item for auto-attack based tank junglers to be able to have some threat with damage while being able to build straight tank, as well as junglers who have a more difficult time reaching and sticking onto a target. RT is more for fast clears and burst. If people want sustain, they get a jungle item.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Raventhor » November 2, 2014 11:38pm | Report
Ravenous Hydra wasn't always good, it was only popularized about halfway through season 3. There were actively casters laughing at Brokenshard for using it, which is why I brought up the example, heh.

Also a lot of junglers atm aren't AA based, like Kha, Lee Sin (despite needing to weave for passive, he's still a caster), etc, so I think more junglers pick up RH over BotRK. I know the shred is good but the meta doesn't have many AA based compared to casters.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » November 2, 2014 11:52pm | Report
Subzero008 wrote:

*viable

There's technically a lot of items. Just not many good ones.

I personally think this has to do with the complete damage split between magical and pysical.

I mean it pretty much cuts away half the damaging items magical could use for the raw stats and some of the passives weren't half bad either for them before the split.

I personally was never a fan of splitting the 2 damage types even in basic attacks, i feel it takes out option you have for cool things like face punch ymir my own pysiedon.
They were cheese sure but god were they fun to carry with.
But splitting this also removes new god design's thate use split damage or pysical damage that scales of off magical power which is a little bit sad.

@ryan. I can't really translate what sub wrote as he has written a perfect translation to smite or league terms. He didn't even use the term haste.
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@ryan. I can't really translate what sub wrote as he has written a perfect translation to smite or league terms. He didn't even use the term haste.

I was...joking...
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » November 3, 2014 12:57am | Report
Oh... I did not notice...
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