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This is your standard Jormungandr Solo build. Upgrade Diamond Arrow from Gilded Arrow at level 20, or sell it for a preferred item.
Swap Shoes of the Magi late game for Ethereal Staff or an alternative, such as Gem of Isolation.
At the 25-30 minute mark swap Stone of Binding for Gauntlet of Thebes, Void Stone or an alternative.
An alternative to Spear of the Magus could be Divine Ruin.
Jormungandr has a basic attack scaling of 8% of his magical power. This means that Gilded Arrows 15 basic attack power is equal to 188 magical power, and its upgrade Diamond Arrow is equal to 1000 magical power, because of this, it is your standard Solo lane start for any match up.
This start builds into Shoes of the Magi and upgrades into either Diamond Arrow at level 20.
This is your safe solo lane start for any math up.
This start builds into Shoes of the Magi and upgrades into Sundering Axe at level 20.
Alternatively, you can purchase Warding Sigil and upgrade into Infused Sigil.
This is your antiheal start.
This start builds into Shoes of the Magi and upgrades into Tainted Breastplate at level 20.
Upgrade Diamond Arrow from Gilded Arrow at level 20.
Swap Shoes of the Magi late game for Spear of the Magus, or an alternative such as [[divine ruin].
At the 25-30 minute mark swap Stone of Binding for Gauntlet of Thebes, Ethereal Staff or an alternative.
Upgrade Sundering Axe from Warrior's Axe at level 20.
Swap Shoes of the Magi late game for Rod of Tahuti or an alternative, such as Divine Ruin.
At the 25-30 minute mark swap Stone of Binding for Void Stone, Gauntlet of Thebes or an alternative.
An alternative to Ethereal Staff could be Gem of Isolation
Upgrade Tainted Breastplate from Tainted Steel at level 20.
Swap Shoes of the Magi late game for Ethereal Staff or an alternative, such as Gem of Isolation.
An alternative to Divine Ruin could be Rod of Tahuti.
These are all alternative or situational defence items that can work on Jormungandr to counter the enemy team or not feel as weak into certain comps/items.
They do NOT need to be built every single game.
These are all alternative or situational damage items that can work on Jormungandr to counter the enemy team or not feel as weak into certain comps/items.
They do NOT need to be built every single game.
These are all of the relics that can work on Jormungandr to counter the enemy team or not feel as weak into certain comps/items.
Purification Beads and Shield of Thorns are the main two that you will be picking up, the others do NOT need to be built every single game.
Standard leveling order is 2 > 1 > 4 > 3. You can put points into the ult earlier if you need the damage.
..... Strengths .....
+ Fast Wave Clear + Immune to knockup and displacement + High damage AOE + Great dive/escape with The World Serpent
- Very Slow
- Easy target without ultimate - Predictable/avoidable combo - Immovable can really hurt you |
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You could forgo it and try to just proxy and be annoying but that isn't where his main strength is (was) in my opinion.
Doom Orb has no place in a solo lane build for Jorm at all. Better off with Ethereal Staff or Soul Reaver.
The whole point of why Doom Orb is being picked up in the current meta is in Mid lane due to the Magic Shoes, Lost Artifact and 1 Multi Potion or Healing Potion start where you can rush Shoes of Focus and then afterwards finish Doom Orb or just finish the tier 2 and then finish the tier 3, and Doom Orb makes up for the mp5 lost by skipping Mage's Blessing, letting your build come online sooner.
I don't post comments to try and be annoying or for the sake of it, it's to try and help people understand the game better. You can comment on my recent ones if you want, but unless you have actually criticisms that make sense I'm not going to take it in.
-Yourself looking foolish by either not knowing the state of the game or inadeptness with the forum platform (or a forum in general).
- Looking revengeful/malicious as it looks like you're trying to discredit someone when their understanding of the game was lower.
If I can recommend something for next time, that will show the intentions you aimed at, instead of looking for a recent comment thread just create your own comment thread with feedback about the currently shown build if there are no recent comments (or if the discussion in the recent comments is something totally different then you want to add).
2. I never felt you were "attacking me", I never said or implied that once, only you have said that and comments about "malice". I said you are commenting for the sake of it and I stand by that statement.
3. Disregarding Devampi's opinion because he does "not have a guide prepared for this upcoming season" is slightly 'big headed'. Not to try and gloat for him but he wouldn't have over 100 Rep given to him for helping in comments.
4. Everyone has the right to criticise on other builds on this site, someone could make an account today and comment his thoughts on your build. There is no such thing as "unrightfully criticising". Just like you have the right to criticise mine, my point in responding though is that it is pointless criticising something that doesn't exist anymore; if you want to waste time doing that though it is fine.
5. Your point about critiquing songs makes no sense. Film Critics don't make films or star in films, their job is to watch it and critique it. Anyone can have an opinion on anything without being well versed in it, it's up to the person being criticsed whether they want to take it in or ignore it, which you are free to do.
6. You know nothing about my knowledge of the Solo lane. I'm not going to sit here and brag stats or anything of the like and if you want me to be honest I'll say that if you look at my builds and say "his build is not better than mine so why is he trying to critique it?" then you are delusional, not because I think mine are amazing but because you seem to think that your errors are correct.
7. How on earth was I trying to "bite off more than I can chew" and posting my comment in a way that wasn't trying to help? I was not rude in any way, I pointed out how I would build him and good options for him and you disagreed which is fine and I left it at that. Devampi agreed with me and made the same points and you seem to think that his was much nicer.
My current builds that are all updated to S7.11 are all fine in the items and written context. Replying to a comment about me building Doom Orb or Ob Shard over a year ago when I clearly do not anymore does NOT put you on a pedestal that you are a better player than me (not saying that either of us are better than each other) to just assume that everything I am saying is nonsense; and just because Devampi doesn't have a guide does not mean he doesn't know what he was talking about either. Coming at him with this huge paragraph because he left a fairly polite comment explaining how you might seem malicious even if you weren't. Just very strange behaviour from what I assume is an adult.
Using an example of critiquing a song is completely different and not analogous to critiquing an outdated build. Build optimization can change even from patch to patch. And while build preference or expectation of effectiveness can be somewhat subjective, a song is a very subjective thing to each individual and there's no concept of "effectiveness" there. If you like a song from The Beatles, The Allman Bros, Depeche, Michael Jackson or Beyonce, it's just...not the same thing.
I feel that this comment thread is just a lot of back and forth and defending of everyone's own positions. It's something that I understand, but don't think is necessary to continue. Can we please stop and move on?
Me responding a few days later had more to do with me not visiting the site because of work the last few days.Also ToneBone, I didn't think you had any malicious intent when posting the comment (just wanted to clarify what happened). Also welcome to SmiteFire
Also Bran, maybe a thing for the Devs I think the profile page needs some improvements. at this moment when you visit someone's profile you see the original created date of the guide, but not when it was updated until you open it.
EDIT: is it me or did the 2 other comments just disappear?
EDIT2: seems the comments are not gone just hidden cause of the limited space by this long thread, another thing to have the devs check out (can access the hidden ones through the recent discussion)
I never said my builds are perfect in fact I did say in my last comment that there are issues that can be noted. I don't mind if you take my advice or not.