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In this starting line up I have include Mana and Health chalices. Make you choice of chalice based on your play style and early game needs. If you find on average you lose lots health early on in games gab the Health chalice. If you find your health lose early on is manageable grab the Mana chalice.
This Alt Start build slows your initial gold generation speed for a few minutes in exchange for the ability to engage the opposing team more directly early on allowing a potential early game level lead for your ADC. I would recommend buying the guardians blessing as soon as you get 700g to even you back out in gold generation.
This mid game set is built off your Alt Starting set from above.
this build provides (total)
Health: 1100
HP5: 40
MP5: 35
Magical Power: 210
Physical Protection: 60
Magical Protection: 60
CDR:40%
CCR: 40%
Movement: 18%
Late game selling shoes and buying a permanent speed elixir is my go to option. It allows me to keep my movement speed from my boots but allows me to be more of a threat to the opposing team. I will sub out my shoes for one of these three items depending on the situation. on this late game build it is also reasonable to sell tyrannical plate helm as the passive becomes somewhat unnecessary
as with the Standard end game buy, Late game selling shoes and buying a 1 time speed elixir is my go to option. it allows me to keep my movement speed from my boots but allows me to be more of a threat to the opposing team. I will sub out my shoes for one of these items depending on the situation, hide of the urchin is my go to tho.
you know what you want to help with or need best. I just find these 4 relics the most helpful in games.
getting a combination of mana/oracle or health/oracle is what my go to is. late game selling a chalice to buy Elixir of speed then buying that chalice again is a valid option and one I would most defiantly take.
This section is Stats for Sobek assuming you use the listed items above.
LVL 20 Stats for STD. Items with Boots OFFENCE Basic Attack: 86 Power: 90 Attack Speed: 1.09 Life Steal: 0 Penetration: 0 DEFENCE Physical: 179 Magical: 163 Health: 3260 HP5: 51 UTILITY Movement: 431 Cooldown: 20 Mana: 910 MP5: 28 _____________________________________________________ LVL 20 Stats for ALT. Items with Boots OFFENCE Basic Attack: 110 Power: 210 Attack Speed: 1.09 Life Steal: 0 Penetration: 0 DEFENCE Physical: 139 Magical: 108 Health: 3210 HP5: 61 UTILITY Movement: 431 Cooldown: 30 Mana: 910 MP5: 48 |
LVL 20 Stats for STD. no shoes + Elixir & chronos OFFENCE Basic Attack: 102 Power: 170 Attack Speed: 1.09 Life Steal: 0 Penetration: 0 DEFENCE Physical: 179 Magical: 163 Health: 3160 HP5: 51 UTILITY Movement: 365 (431 with Elixir) Cooldown: 40 Mana: 910 MP5: 48 ______________________________________________________________________ LVL 20 Stats for ALT. no shoes + Elixir & Hide of the Urchin OFFENCE Basic Attack: 106 Power: 190 Attack Speed: 1.09 Life Steal: 0 Penetration: 0 DEFENCE Physical: 169 Magical: 138 Health: 3360 HP5: 61 UTILITY Movement: 365 (431 with Elixir) Cooldown: 30 Mana: 1160 MP5: 48 |
My standard build aims for lane push and good balance of offensive and defensive capability.
Reinforced Shoes: at the start of the Game shoes are a must, the ability to get back in lane quickly if you die or needed to back is crucial to your Carry and your lane push. Shoes give you 6% move speed at tier 1 & 18% at tier 3. this with the added passive of "Every time you are damaged by a god you gain a stack that provides 3 Physical and Magical Protections. Stacks up to 7 times, Lasts 6s" makes a great combo with sobeks normal passive
Blessing of the Nile.
Tyrannical Plate Helm:One of the new Items in Season 7! This item is the first item to buff minions in your lane, this buff can be a huge asset in the early game for you and your ADC! not to mention the minions helping hit the enemy has help me finish them before they can hit there tower! the buff plus 70 Magical power and 20% CCR is a real winner in my book even if it is still to early to tell the long term viability of the item.
Gauntlet of Thebes:Gauntlets gives you your first big health spike by an item, at 300 you're going to come back down lane a more confident god! Couple the health boost with stacking of magical and physical protection and you're going to start being a character that the enemy won't want to deal with 1v1.
Shield of RegrowthShield of Regrowth: This item gives you another hearty boost of 300 to your health. along side some CDR and HP5 and MP5 this is a great next step in your build. the kicker for this item is it give you a huge 4 second Speed boost of 40% off your
sickening strike which can help get you out of some real sticky situations!
Mantle of Discord:Mantle of discord is a staple in a sobek build. Its 60 Magical and 60 Physical protection is really good for handling damage in mid game. couple the protections with added CDR and passive 1 sec stun to all enemy Gods within 22 units of you when you take a hit under 30% health. your going to become valuable in team fights!
Heartward Amulet:finally your amulet, a health boost of 250 and 55 more magical protection to help you soak up those hard hitting abilities is real nice! add that to the passive aura giving your teammates 15 extra magical protection and 30MP5 there going be thanking you!
This Build aims for early aggression to boost your ADC and add hard pressure to duo lane
Reinforced Shoes: Just like in my Standard build, at the start of the Game shoes are a must. The ability to get back in lane quickly if you die or needed to back is crucial to your Carry and your lane push. Shoes give you 6% move speed at tier 1 & 18% at tier 3. this with the added passive of "Every time you are damaged by a god you gain a stack that provides 3 Physical and Magical Protections. Stacks up to 7 times, Lasts 6s" makes a great combo with sobeks normal passive
Blessing of the Nile.
Stone of Gaia: Gaia delivers a bangin boost of 400 Health accompanied by 25 HP5 and 15 MP5. this give you ample space to engage in fights. she also delivers two passives 1) a health boost when hit by knockups, knockbacks, pulls, and grabs and 2) .3% of your health back per second. For context .3 on a health pool of 3000 is 9 meaning on this build you get 17 Health per second effectively. that is full health in under 3 minutes with out backing.
Gauntlet of Thebes: Gauntlets will get you another beefy health boost of 300! at this point your ADC will thank you for being a bit more of a tank as abilities are going to start ramping and the passive magical and physical protection is going to start moving you in to a good shield territory.
Mantle of Discord: also just like in my Standard build, Mantle of discord is a staple in a sobek build. Its 60 Magical and 60 Physical protection is really good for handling damage in mid game. couple the protections with added CDR and passive 1 sec stun to all enemy Gods within 22 units of you when you take a hit under 30% health. your going to become valuable in team fights!
Chronos' Pendant: Chronos' Pendant is on this build because when you go this route your wanting be aggressive, so shorter Cool downs are a must for firing off your abilities quicker. chronos will give you 20% CDR, 20 MP5, and a 100 Magical Power bump to aid you in pushing the enemy harder. and its passive of shedding 1 second off all ability cool downs every 10 seconds means your abilities are going to be ready before you even know it!
Ethereal Staff: finally Ethereal staff is going to give you more magical power (90), more health (200), and top off your CCR at 40%! But the real reason to buy this item is the Debuff, every time you damage a enemy god you are going to steal (meaning they LOSE and your GAIN) 6% of there health and 8% of there mana for 45 seconds. This can be stacked once every 15 seconds which can be detrimental in late game!
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Some feedback of your build (again):
As I promised here's the feedback, more complete now. I hope you read it.
Assuming this is a support build let's start by looking at both your starts the first one is decent, although the 6% movement speed won't be as noticeable as the 100 hp and the hp5 from the glowing emerald. although it does not allow to start with a chalice (and in most cases I would agree with kriega that HP chalice is better as it helps you with surviving the hits you tank for your adc and minion agro)
The second start I would like to heavily discourage, mostly because delaying blessing is going to hurt you a lot more as you already identified yourself. you also miss out on some sustain. And lastly meditation is considered a noob trap as early you feel the effects but lategame the effect drops heavily and other relics are better.
Both other builds are like said before quite solo oriented as they contain quite some power, however sobek's scalings are quite low so power is not really that great.
A lot of the other items are quite selfish instead of supportive. Also with a bit of pen you will be pretty squishy.
lastly the skill order I can kinda see why you start with Charge Prey especially if you would use the alt start, however I think it's a bad choice as the opponent wil outclear you at the start discouraging early aggression unless you are under the tower most of the start. Starting with Tail Whip or sickening strike will be better as you can clear void faster and help with the wave. Also I wonder why you split the lvl ups between 2 & 3. IMO sickening with the healing and healing reduction is stronger to prioritize.
I also find it quite concerning that you think Book of Thoth and Chronos' pendant are suitable items for a support build, they're not.
You don't see ANY high level ranked or pro support players pick up mana chalice - it just isn't necessary to have.
using a charge is to make sure people won;t buy it to faster regen in the fountain and sell it before going to lane (not that it works as fountain kills ll regen from pots nowadays)
Some feedback of your build:
Also even those % aura have more impact early game. Sometimes if you build pest too late in the build, the enemy healer will be already strong and it will feel like it doesn't matter anymore. So even with this kinda aura the phrase wasn't that wrong.
Edit: i would like to point out when you buy an item should be subjective to the game not particularly what slot the are in the guide. just my opinion.
Dude. Not everything is subjective in this game. You can literally do damage calculations and in game tests to see what typical set of builds/items perform the best in a specific function (e.g. mitigating damage, aura + mitigating damage, top dps etc...), it's what the coaches for the Pro SPL teams do and helps to dictate the meta, while also keeping up with patch item changes.
Now when you do nonsense like building Chronos' Pendant on a support, when you can get CDR from your defensive items choices and the 500 gold pot, and when you can get better damage output (and added tankiness) from Ethereal Staff or even picking up something whacky (on a Support) like Spear of Deso due to it's power + flat pen combo for high squishy damage, you can see how your faulty item pickups can be improved.
And you still haven't addressed why Book of Thoth is even listed in a support build.
If you're submitting this guide in hopes of doing well in the guide competition you're going to need to wake up and make some fixes.
What we do here is discuss when build and when not build some stuffs because, let's be honest, people usually come here to find "the best build" and "the best way to play with" some god and then we also think everyone here comes to show their best strategies and we reply with questions and answers, called feedback, with our view point, some people with more experience and higher levels and others with lower levels and less experience but we all try to talk about the strategies here, if you don't want to do it, Then I'M SORRY FOR YOU.
I showed my points of how you can make your guide better, if you will follow or not my tips it's not with me anymore, I can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.
I'm also not trying to come off like a jerk if i am im sorry.
I just said some important mistakes on your build and if you want I could basically explain every detail about why they are mistakes but I won't write a wall of text for someone that could not even read (like many others do here), so you could JUST have asked: "Why you think that?" instead make a comment victimizing yourself basically saying "It works for me, I'm different that's why you hate me".
So can we start again? Do you want to know why I think these are not good options or not?
I more then happy to hear a more in depth reasoning on why you think they are not good options especially since sober is my main.
To start off I actually agree with your gaia advice, I'm already trying to find a better change currently
To start off I actually agree with your gaia advice, I'm already trying to find a better change currently