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There was nothing in that post to All4Games, except a lot of blank space. I thought I would troll him, and it succeeded.

all i can say to the stuff you have done on smitefire is this.

smitefire is a community run website where fans can post their opinions on the game and various other related news.

the people on the website can reply to other treads and can start discussions.

what that means subzero is that it is not your place on the internet where you can just troll and annoy other's. there are more then enough places on the internet for that where you can fit better.

do not forget that there is still that report button. i luckly have not yet felt the need to use it on a profile that is not a spambot but since you are literly doing nothing but trolling i am consindering it.

you ask buddah to add to a tread you haven't even awenserd other questions on.

this got derailed and turned into a hate tread. let it die.

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subzero you have done nothing but replying to me like a **** from the very first reply you aimed at me.

all i said back at you were reasons why i typed like that and that i tought that maybe you can say it in a more normal way and not in a troll way.

since you appernly can't do that i do think you are and call you a ****. you insulted me in many more ways then just me calling you a ****.

but everytime you pull **** like this and you apperently have the nerf to say

all i can say to the stuff you have done on smitefire is this.

smitefire is a community run website where fans can post their opinions on the game and various other related news.

the people on the website can reply to other treads and can start discussions.

what that means subzero is that it is not your place on the internet where you can just troll and annoy other's. there are more then enough places on the internet for that where you can fit better.

do not forget that there is still that report button. i luckly have not yet felt the need to use it on a profile that is not a spambot but since you are literly doing nothing but trolling i am consindering it.

you ask buddah to add to a tread you haven't even awenserd other questions on.

this got derailed and turned into a hate tread. let it die.

Eh, I feel like we could squeeze some more discussion out of this thread.

I feel that sexualisation is fine in a game. Oversexualisation is a problem (personally, I don't care, but others do, and I accept that).

Sexualisation for a theme is absolutely fine. Hercules has his shirt off to show his muscles? No problem. Ladies are just a coincidence.

Aphrodite dressed skimpily because she's the goddess of beauty? I suppose that's fine as well.

However, there are some that definitely need addressing.

Arachne. She's a ****ing spider, and they added tits to her. Marvellous isn't it? I'd rather some wretched spider beast as opposed to an oversexualised spider.

Bastet is also incredibly bad. Why is it that most of the other animal gods are animals and Bastet is more of a cat human? Why not make her an animal, like Hun Batz or Fenrir?

Neith... Well, Egypt is hot I suppose... I find it rather ironic that the weaver has no clothes on. the funny thing is, I don't even find Neith in the slightest bit attractive.

If I had to say the most attractive female of Smite (I'm not into this 2D ****), it's be Chang'e, because she looks so elegant and (kill me now) beautiful. And the thing is, she's fully clothed.

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I feel that sexualisation is fine in a game. Oversexualisation is a problem

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The only way it can be over sexualized is if they put a bulge on herc's loincloth or hard nipples through the shirt on the female gods :/

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The only way it can be over sexualized is if they put a bulge on herc's loincloth or hard nipples through the shirt on the female gods :/

Hmm let me reword what I said than. Sexualisation for a specific theme or reason is fine. Sexualisation for no real reason than for the sex appeal is when it becomes oversexualisation.

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Hmm, want a real myth? In greek, most gods
are naked. Let's have it.

But seriously, in this world, when girl see man shirtless is fun and when they see a woman have a little cloth, they are fine. But when a man see other man shirtless, it's not that fine.

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What happens if their on the beach then?

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I will have my response for you when I come back from classes, Subzero.

@Everyone else: I don't really see how you can take his style of arguments as offensive. He's putting a little character into it, and he hasn't once used ad hominem. I, personally, try to keep my arguments simple, but I fail to see how throwing in some "flavor text" is "being a ****."

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In his first post with Phoenix Wright (low blow, btw) he was not really being a ****. The following he was, but that was more responsive and defensive (not condoning it, but pointing out what he might have perceived as a reason).

As for the empty posts, I just can't really take him seriously anymore.

Personally i find it hard to find Kali sexy given she is blue, has blank eyes, with four arms holding a severed human head.

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Okay, first (and most important point):

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Sexualizing things is okay. I have no problem with it, as long as people start applying it equally.

"Sexualization" is applied equally to both genders. The difference is that it's (thankfully) applied in a different format. For instance, female gods generally show much more skin than male gods because that is how they show their features. The males, on the other hand, generally have rippling muscles which shows through their clothes - that is sexualization; their features are clearly defined. Just because men aren't wearing bikinis does not mean that they are not being sexualized (I know you didn't infer this, I just would like to paint a ~~funny~~ horrible picture in your mind).

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Thor's armor is not realistic. It is cool, and pimped out.

Now look at Kali. It is sexualized, and unlike Thor, there is no reson why it is like that. It isn't functional, it is unrealistic, and more importantly, It is against character type.

I'm going to go ahead and use the Hercules argument here; Kali is often portrayed completely nude or topless, so it is certainly not against her character type. And again, it is much easier to see muscles through clothes than a woman's features - Thor is definitely sexualized.

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A thief goddess who steals things should not wear a chainmail bikini. She should wear something that's related to the job. As TT said, gods wear stuff for different things. Ares wears heavy armor. Zeus does not. But Mercury wears non-sexualized clothing, yet Neith? Kali?

Here is what I want: Men look different. Women look different. And yes, some of that difference includes sexy-time clothing worn by both genders.

Here is what is in this game right now: Men look different. Women look like stripper-supermodels.

Considering this is what I said, I canÃ¢ï¿½ï¿½t help but agree with you. Remember, it is much easier to sexualize men without stripping them down than it is to do the same for women.

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Your arguement is that sexuality goes hand in hand with role. For instance, a tank would not be sexualized due to their attire requiring considerable durability, while an assassin may be otherwise.

That is an essence of my argument, yes. That's not to say that magi and assassins should have little clothing, but much lighter clothing.

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I present to the court, er, this forum, the images of all of the assassins/mages/carries in this game! Loki! Fantasy Armor! Kali! Chainmail Bikini! Neith! Chainmail Bikini! Zeus! Clothing! Isis! Chainmail Bikini! Chronos! Fantasy Armor! Ne Zha! Clothing!

You have far from listed every mage and assassin in the game - you have selected the ones best for you. Agni is topless, Poseidon is topless, Ra is topless, Zeus is revealing one sexy pec, and quite a few abs, Zhong Kui has his delcious nipple ring showing, He Bro is topless (granted, skin that is specifically meant for a beach setting), Anubis is topless.

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When you examine the overall pattern of the god's designs, your argument falls apart like wet tissue paper! If Ne Zha is wearing light, fantasy-esque yet actual clothing, then why does Neith fight in...whatever the hell she is wearing? Why is Apollo the only male hunter who is sexualized? Why is Artemis the only hunter who is not sexualized?

The facts are clear. An overwhelming majority of the male gods' clothing do corrospond with role, however, only a few are sexualized! An overwhelming majority of the female goddesses' attire are sexualized AND do not correspond with role! Artemis is far more heavily armored than most of the goddesses, so why is she a carry instead of a bruiser?

Xbalanque, Anhur, and Apollo are all sexualized Hunters - and only one of the two female Hunters is sexualized (Neith). Again, the style of clothing is different because males and females are sexualized differently.

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Furthermore, there is a large difference between the design of the clothes and the design of the god, and you keep deviating from my original point. I would never considered Zhong Kui as a whole as sexualized, because he is hideous! But no one can deny that Arachne is sexualized, despite being Spiderwoman!

I find Arachne even more hideous than Zhong, so your argument here is entirely opinionated. Furthermore, Arachne is portrayed with boobs and such even though she is a spider because she was original a human female - it's likely Hi-Rez's way of showing that she was once a magnificent female who outdid Athena is a weaving contest.

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Okay, first (and most important point)

"Sexualization" is applied equally to both genders. The difference is that it's (thankfully) applied in a different format. For instance, female gods generally show much more skin than male gods because that is how they show their features. The males, on the other hand, generally have rippling muscles which shows through their clothes - that is sexualization; their features are clearly defined. Just because men aren't wearing bikinis does not mean that they are not being sexualized (I know you didn't infer this, I just would like to paint a ~~funny~~ horrible picture in your mind).

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Okay...yes, I concede your point. Sexualization is applied to some extent to most of the gods. Don’t forget, however, the problem I have is with overly sexualized gods, like Freya wearing what Aphrodite should be.

And showing skin isn’t the only way to show their features, you know. Women have muscles too. You’d think that Kali of all gods would have muscles, but nooo...

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I hear that argument a lot, that Freya is normally nude, so dressing them up in whatever she wears is actually more modest. Welp, the “they were more sexualized in myth/portrayal” applies to a lot of gods.

Uh...there are a lot of gods who are portrayed as nude, both male and female. Not just the greek statues, but in paintings, and even their mythology. For example, Loki doesn’t have as much nude portrayals as many of the greek gods (although he has some), but he banged pretty much everything (he’s done it with men, women, and a freaking horse) in his time. You see none of this in his design.

Point is, if HiRez can design Loki (google loki myth in images), Hermes (why Merc, dammit?), and Zeus as wearing half-full decent attire, then surely they could’ve afforded the time to design some decent outfits for Isis or Freya. (Seriously, do you have any idea how sexualized Zeus is? He’s the rape-master of the gods!)

And...they have NO excuse for Neith. Don’t forget, overly sexualized is what I am against here.

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Considering this is what I said, I can’t help but agree with you. Remember, it is much easier to sexualize men without stripping them down than it is to do the same for women.

Yeah, I know.

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That is an essence of my argument, yes. That's not to say that magi and assassins should have little clothing, but much lighter clothing.

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You have far from listed every mage and assassin in the game - you have selected the ones best for you. Agni is topless, Poseidon is topless, Ra is topless, Zeus is revealing one sexy pec, and quite a few abs, Zhong Kui has his delcious nipple ring showing, He Bro is topless (granted, skin that is specifically meant for a beach setting), Anubis is topless.

Wait, what? Ra is topless?

Er, anyway! Clothes do not always equate to design. (I think people got confused that I was talking about clothing instead of overall design.) And uh, that is why I specifically categorized human-like goddesses versus the human-like gods, and included the monster-y ones separately.

Otherwise, people might think Anubis was sexy (I will never sleep again). The problem is that this destination is present more in the male gods than the female goddesses. For example, we wouldn’t think Zhong Kui is sexy, as you said, except for the few necrophilliacs out there. Here is what I mean by design:

Anubis has a big jackal head, and if he was wearing something sexier he’d still be unappealing to most. Uh, I think.

Arachne, from the waist up, looks mostly human - like a hot supermodel with goth tendencies. Even if you made her bottom half incredibly hideous, she’d still look attractive to some extent. Of course, this entire post depends on personal preferences, but I think most of us can agree that Arachne’s top half is pretty sexy.

They could’ve made her entire body look somewhat spiderish - think multiple eyes or patches of exoskeleton on her face - but they did not. And if don’t forget the whole Chainmail Bikini aspect of her ensemble.

So in other words, we have a god of death who looks the part (malnourished build, jackal face), and a cursed spider, who has a hot top half for no apparent reason, except possibly to connect her to her humanity. But as I said above, that could’ve been done without the two egg sacs attached to her chest.

Again, don’t forget sexy vs too sexy (I have a problem with the latter). Again, don’t forget sexy clothing doesn’t always mean sexy.

Honestly, I think most of your post kinda misinterpreted my argument. but I suppose clarification is the entire point of communicating like this, so...

But yeah, I get your point. But look at Poseidon, and compare him to...Agni. Both are wearing (or not wearing) things that can be sexy, but I don’t think Agni is sexy, do you?

If you look at the entire thing, all the (human-ish) gods, you could see a pattern of overly sexualized gods/goddesses, heavily favoring the latter.

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...eww.

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Ah, it’s always in the “maybes” where arguments unravel. If there was some sort of survey I could use, or aha! Check out the thread: “Is Arachne hot?” for the poll. We can do this - scientifically!

Oh, and magnificent does not equal boobs. They could’ve dressed her in a weaver’s clothing, or make her carry a loom on her back, or a tapestry, or hell, make her wear one of her tapestries. Not cleavage. And, uh, of all the word choices you could’ve made connecting Arachne to her human self, you landed on her breasts.

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Yes. :P

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