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I may agree, Goddesses are over sexualized in this game. But that's the meaning of ''goddess'', right? Beautiful, stff... that stuff. On some myths, goddesses are nude( Most famous examples are Kali and Aphrodite), or top-less. So I think it's fine.

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Ares is over sexuall. portrait overly manly with a big sturcture and act's like a football jock.

hebo. since hebo is half water and half coverd in robes i ask help of hebro to prove that he is over sexuall since hebro is what hirez would make hebo look like if he didn't where robes. very buffed

herc. not sure if you made joke? he is so over sexuallised. really not even funny.
merc. like his brother very sexuall just not in the buffed way
nezha is a child who hasn't hit puberty yet so he doesn't count
odin. old and very buffed. at that age i would be proud to look like that

thor. he comes straight from the cover of a womans novel *insert title here* long hair very masculin.
tyr. same story as odin. look at the sword he wield with just 1 hand.
vulcan. look at him he is very musculair and basicly a body boulder.
zeus. combination of odin and thor. very masculair and looks like he comes straigt from a woman novel. body boulder.
anhur. look at his arm muscle. its huge. body boulder.
hades. just becaus he is bony doesn't mean that he can't be sexuall (see the joke in that?) his scaletall structure is very large. imagine how he would look with meat on this bones.

That's... a really bad argument. In context of the game, they fight every. Single. Freaking. DAY. Why, with that in mind, why should they NOT be really buff? (Doesn't really count for He Bro though since he's a mage)

In context of their lore, these are mostly gods of war, battle, and other manly, physically-intensive things. With that in mind, why should they NOT be really buff?

All in all,the 'over-sexualization' of male gods is... virtually non-existent.

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I was waiting on this. Yes they fight everyday, they are gods of war, combat, hunt etc. Their lore discribes them as very masculin and basicly the pinicle of strength and Health. Putting up a how they would need to be. A rolemodel that puts up standerts that their followers just can't reach. There you have the defenition of over sexuall.

Do you think that males will look as good as zeus when they are that old? No ofcourse not.

Exectly the same with over sexuallised female gods. Most real woman don't have the tatta ta's of freya or the skimpy out fit of kali (actually pretty close to her lore picture)? No we know they don't think real life woman are like that.

If you disagree with some of the gods i call over gesexualisd then that is your opinion but don't go and tell me that zeus doens't look to good for his age or that herc doesn't look like a body boulder.

Don't go call someone's argument bad unless you knw the full detail.
If that is not given ask them to go in further on the subject.

Because they are all gods they are only able depicked in an oversexualised way. Gods were what ancient men needed to reach to become gods whch they could never become because it wasmade impossible.

This is why i personnaly try to see them as if they were mortals because that is the only way that can create a solid argument without saying "yeah but tey godz".

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As humans, yeah I would agree 100%, but you said it yourself, they are gods, and this is how they are supposed to look. Hi-Rez is, for the most part, keeping in with the pre-determined lore with their aesthetic choices.

Zeus does look amazing for his age but... gods bro. He's the patriarch of all the gods... he kinda needs to be in good shape. Plus, immortality... he logically would age slower than what is normal.

Herc IS a body-builder... do you honestly believe he would look anything less than that after his 12 labors?

Apollo is full of himself, and way overconfident, so again, it fits. See where I'm going? It all FITS. The female gods are debatable, as are one or two male gods, but like I said, male over-sexualization in Smite is virtually non-existent.

It's not my job to make your argument clear. If it's not clear, that's your fault and your job to correct any misconceptions that arise from lack of said clarity.

Also, you can have your opinion and standards, but in my opinion, yours is wrong. Doesn't mean you gotta change your opinion, I'm just saying I don't share nor agree with it.

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Guys if these gods were real they would look the best they couls so yes they will be over sexualized. Aphrodite is the freaking goddess of love and beauty, it would be stupid if she didn't look hot.

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I don't think you understand what i was saying since basicly repeated it.

The reason why i look at them as mortals i so i can have an argument with someone who thinks that they are oversexuall and thinks that thats a bad thing. Because then i look at it from both persectives and then i can have a normal argument without cheessing by saying but gods after everything he says.

Because i like discussing.

Hell i don't know why we are argument because to me it seems we think the same thing.

Regarding to yours and my first post of this argument. I call the gods i called oversexuall if they would be humans. Which you said you agree with.
Well could you please look at that post again but this time from that perspective?

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Before I start responding to specific posts, I need to clear up a few things.

Sexualizing things is okay. I have no problem with it, as long as people start applying it equally.

Number two, It is possible to make something sexualized without making it ****ty. For example, you could say the way Thor's armor somehow includes the shapes of muscles as being sexualized. However, that is still armor. Thor isn't wearing ***less chaps or something, you can clearly see that he is wearing armor. That is why I put "Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor."

Thor's armor is not realistic. It is cool, and pimped out.

Now look at Kali. It is sexualized, and unlike Thor, there is no reson why it is like that. It isn't functional, it is unrealistic, and more importantly, It is against character type.

I don't mind goddesses wearing virtual lingerie. I do mind when it is the only option.

EVERYONE! Do this challenge to see if a costume design is overly sexualized! If you saw your mother or father wear what that god or goddess was wearing, would you think that he or she was headed to some kind of fetish party? If yes, then that design is overly sexualized. And no need to thank me for those horrible mental images. XP

When sexuality is the only option available for women vs men who have actual functional ****, this is the message people recieve: "This game is about male characters who are different from each other, and do different sorts of things and female character who stand around wearing sexy-time lingerie all the time.

A thief goddess who steals things should not wear a chainmail bikini. She should wear something that's related to the job. As TT said, gods wear stuff for different things. Ares wears heavy armor. Zeus does not. But Mercury wears non-sexualized clothing, yet Neith? Kali?

Here is what I want: Men look different. Women look different. And yes, some of that difference includes sexy-time clothing worn by both genders.

Here is what is in this game right now: Men look different. Women look like stripper-supermodels.

_{Also, WTF? Why does a single post about sexuality invoke the voices of many, while a comment about game balance invokes only three?}

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Sirsir94: Frankly? Yeah. Keep in mind that this isn’t some huge rehaul like the only redface Guan Yu vs the newer one. This is just clothing. You don’t even have to scrap the old ones, I’m sure for some of them it’s just a matter of putting additional textures.

Sorlux: Right, I’m sure a war goddess like Neith totally wore that stripper’s outfit. And I’m sure Isis ran around in a skirt and bra all the time, and subscribed to some kind of wing fetish.

Note: I said “bra,” not “top.” Think about that for a sec.

Ghostlander: Okay, if everyone was sexualized in myth and legend, why does Zeus look decent while Arachne does not? Stop dodging the question and say something productive towards this argument. Or get out.

All4Games: Ah, I can always rely on you to get a disjointed argument. It’s almost...comforting. YES! They can be interpreted as sexualized, but women can be interpreted as nothing BUT sexualized! That is what I have a problem with! Even if you consider Artemis’ rather form fitting armor as sexualized, you can’t deny that it is far more modest than the others! Your argument falls apart when we consider the variety of modesty in this game, and its distribution.

Artemis is one of many. The male gods are many of most.

DarkJaw: Yes, many of the gods are perfect specimens of humanity. However, Zeus gets a toga. Isis gets a bra and short skirt. If you saw your father in a toga, you’d assume it was for some greek-mythology-related activity. If you saw your mother in a bra and short skirt, you’d think she was an exotic dancer of some sort.

Which is fine. As I stated before, I am fine with some looking sexy. But when you start inserting words like “most” or “majority of,” you get a problem.

Daheri: Finally, someone who gets it. If evryone was sexualized, I’d have no problems. If no one or only a few were sexualized, I’d have no problem. When one side is almost exclusively made of sexualized individuals, we have a problem.

sorcerer455: Please pay attention. I have no problem with sexuality itself, but I have a problem with its distribution.

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*cracks knuckles* Ah, I like being in a spirited debate. Keeps the mind sharp.

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Your arguement is that sexuality goes hand in hand with role. For instance, a tank would not be sexualized due to their attire requiring considerable durability, while an assassin may be otherwise.

I present to the court, er, this forum, the images of all of the assassins/mages/carries in this game! Loki! Fantasy Armor! Kali! Chainmail Bikini! Neith! Chainmail Bikini! Zeus! Clothing! Isis! Chainmail Bikini! Chronos! Fantasy Armor! Ne Zha! Clothing!

When you examine the overall pattern of the god's designs, your argument falls apart like wet tissue paper! If Ne Zha is wearing light, fantasy-esque yet actual clothing, then why does Neith fight in...whatever the hell she is wearing? Why is Apollo the only male hunter who is sexualized? Why is Artemis the only hunter who is not sexualized?

The facts are clear. An overwhelming majority of the male gods' clothing do corrospond with role, however, only a few are sexualized! An overwhelming majority of the female goddesses' attire are sexualized AND do not correspond with role! Artemis is far more heavily armored than most of the goddesses, so why is she a carry instead of a bruiser?

Furthermore, there is a large difference between the design of the clothes and the design of the god, and you keep deviating from my original point. I would never considered Zhong Kui as a whole as sexualized, because he is hideous! But no one can deny that Arachne is sexualized, despite being Spiderwoman!

Do you have a response?

And no, this wasn't posted because of Hel's rework. This had a long time coming.

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Apollo is shirtless. THEY'VE OVER-SEXUALIZED MEN! ERMAGERD

What about Hercules?
Or the fact that most of the male characters are huge and strong jock-types? Isn't that kind of sexualizing?

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