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Balancing Discussion: The Real Deal

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by DucksRock » August 16, 2014 1:29am | Report
Sasquatch180 wrote:

This thing grows too big and needs it's size reduced. I'm fine with it growing slightly bigger but with how big it gets you need to be blind to miss with it.

This should have the same limitations of Charge Prey (will grab Minions if you hit them), and there needs to be something done to stop him from getting two free hits off.

One suggestion is to change it so that the throw is a bit faster/stronger, sending you further but making Mercury do a spin or something in place to stop his momentum, which would be the delay. If he throws you into a wall you'll get stunned for 1s.

Attack Speed buff should be reduced to 50% at max rank.


Still powerful. His 3 needs to be less wide. (Like arachne's current ult)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Pentargonite » August 16, 2014 1:33am | Report
I'd say nerf his 3 a lot and his 2 a bit.






Nerf it to 20/30/40/50/60%







It's very hard to nerf this one, so I suggest making it a stun. I looked at other assassins and a lot of them have stuns. My suggestion:

Mercury dashes forward, knocking aside minions and punching the first enemy god he encounters unconscious for 1 second and deals damage. Enemy physical protections are also reduced for 4 seconds.

Ability: Line
Affects: Enemy
Damage: Physical
Minion Damage: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+60% of your physical power)
Player damage: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+60% of your physical power)
Stun: 1 second
Physical protection reduction: 15/20/25/30/35 (not so sure about this one)
Cost: 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90s
Cooldown: 15s

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by DucksRock » August 16, 2014 1:38am | Report
Pentargonite wrote:

I'd say nerf his 3 a lot and his 2 a bit.






Nerf it to 20/30/40/50/60%







It's very hard to nerf this one, so I suggest making it a stun. I looked at other assassins and a lot of them have stuns. My suggestion:

Mercury dashes forward, knocking aside minions and punching the first enemy god he encounters unconscious for 1 second and deals damage. Enemy physical protections are also reduced for 4 seconds.

Ability: Line
Affects: Enemy
Damage: Physical
Minion Damage: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+60% of your physical power)
Player damage: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+60% of your physical power)
Stun: 1 second
Physical protection reduction: 15/20/25/30/35 (not so sure about this one)
Cost: 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90s
Cooldown: 15s

Yep. Great nerf
It should be short because it will be too easy to land if it's not.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by DucksRock » August 16, 2014 1:38am | Report
DucksRock wrote:


Yep. Great nerf
It should be short because it will be too easy to land if it's not short.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Sasquatch180 » August 16, 2014 1:48am | Report
That actually does sound like a good nerf.

One other thing I'd like to see changed about it is making him slow down when he dashes through Minions so he can't just blitz through them with no consequence.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by DucksRock » August 16, 2014 1:54am | Report
Sasquatch180 wrote:

That actually does sound like a good nerf.

One other thing I'd like to see changed about it is making him slow down when he dashes through Minions so he can't just blitz through them with no consequence.

Yep. Agreed.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » August 16, 2014 3:16am | Report
I don't think making his throw bigger would be a good idea - it would just make his early game even more deadlier (think towers and minions).

A lot of you seem to want his steroid nerfed. I'm honestly not sure what to think of that.

The grabbing minions is a good idea, and gives counterplay.

As for Penta's rework, I'm also not sure what to think of that. I'm a little scared of letting him be able to move right after he stuns someone, since him standing in a circle while grabbing someone is one of his few weaknesses.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by DucksRock » August 16, 2014 3:19am | Report
Subzero008 wrote:

I don't think making his throw bigger would be a good idea - it would just make his early game even more deadlier (think towers and minions).

A lot of you seem to want his steroid nerfed. I'm honestly not sure what to think of that.

The grabbing minions is a good idea, and gives counterplay.

As for Penta's rework, I'm also not sure what to think of that. I'm a little scared of letting him be able to move right after he stuns someone, since him standing in a circle while grabbing someone is one of his few weaknesses.

Maybe making his 3 less wide perhaps? Also, He really has got to slow down when he encounters minions in his 3.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Pentargonite » August 16, 2014 3:22am | Report
Subzero008 wrote:

As for Penta's rework, I'm also not sure what to think of that. I'm a little scared of letting him be able to move right after he stuns someone, since him standing in a circle while grabbing someone is one of his few weaknesses.

Maybe he ends up behind the enemy (with his back to the enemy so he'll have to turn around)? If that's what you meant?

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » August 18, 2014 5:28am | Report
Done with this in 3 hours. For real this time.
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