How do unbalanced teams fair?

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Hello people, let me explain what I mean.

I had a debate recently and new is somehow involved. So this is the thing, with been mostly suited for the jungle, a normal team would probably end up with 4 magical gods and a hunter been the only physical one on the crew.

My take on this, is that having 4 gods on either form of damage on a team is not very smart because the enemy can counter you with that kind of protection and hurt your efectiveness. I do understand that penetration is very powerfull, but at some point of the match the enemy WILL have more protections than you can penetrate(probably mid, early) and will have a big advantage.

Now, the person I was debating this with said that penetration is just too strong and it doesnt matter at all if you build strait magic protections as soon as you can, if build correctly the pen will make the protections useless. He mentioned that alone will make your protections useless early.

So.. what do you think about this topic?

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It does hurt your effectiveness. especially against the warrior (if in team) and the guardian (for the warrior a 4 physical team is even more painful because )

This guy is saying that shoes destroy protections early but against a or the normal protection items (including ) it does nothing.

shoes is enough to remove 50% of the base protections (which is 30) you got (at lvl 1) and I don't know how many pen your going but normally you only take 1 other pen item. This item is mostly this only removes 33% of the protections. So at the end you will have a reduction of (-33% + -15 or -15 + -33%. Depends if flat pen goes before % pen But I think the second one to be more realistic).

this is enough to take away most protections against a adc and a mage (unless the mage decided to take magic protection instead of valor (but mostly they will end up taking for the CDR giving them more damage) and some jungles.

less effective against people with 1 MP item.

And against warriors and guardians who will at least have 2 magic protection items (guardian will opt for 3-4).

a guardian will become something like this; [Item=Reinforced greaves M], , , , , and then as last they won't go another physical item but magical or

so let's count all MP 25+20+70+65+60+50/65=290/305 total for them with their items. add this to their base protection at lvl 20 being 58 ends up in 348/363 MP

then we get the reductions of the team 15(shoes) (15 if void stone is in range) 33%. well let's take that off our MP=212/222. (you can almost ignore the pen from the void stone and shoes.)

so from an ult from (without the scalings for the ease) the base damage is already reduced to 488/478.

also if a ult and abilities miss/CC/etc. the opposing team can totally wreck their burst mages. The only big threat is the adc because the protections aren't focused on him. but normally a combo from a jungler or mage can be his death.

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Well to be fair, a normal team has a physical solo, so with AK jungle you'd usually end up with 3 magical, 2 physical. If you take a magical solo you're kinda hurting yourself.

And on the penetration vs protection topic, Devampi went into the math very well, my statement is you'll always do better with protectoins than they will with penetration. The reason is the items you're building protections on will also have health. This means even if they're getting past your protections, they're so heavily gimping their actual power/damage output, in addition to ruining their utility by not being able to buy MP items with effects, that they're more useless as a whole. Sure they may bypass the protections, but then what? Do very little damage compared to your total health and have no utility with their spells?

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Devampi and Raven are spot on.

As Raven stated, if your jungle is magic, then whoever is in solo should be looking at picking up a physical god/goddess, or you're really setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

Granted, I never play CQ, but in any other game mode, if I'm playing a Guardian or Warrior, I love seeing a team that has at least four magicals or four physicals (preferably magicals) because it's so easy to build against that team. Like both Devampi and Raven stated, your penetration will not be as good as my protections. Sure, you'll do some damage, especially if you decide to gang up on me, but I'll be soaking up plenty of that damage to increase my survivability and allow me to stay in the fight a lot longer to support my team.

It's just not worth it.

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I would like more physical because XD

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Yes it would be a bit easier to counter the enemy team. However most high level teams that go magical jungle fit a physical god in either solo or support.

Keep in mind having a 4 magical team is much better than having a 4 physical team since objectives deal physical damage.

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It's true, pen boots giving both pen and power are the main reason why counterbuilding is so hard in this game.

At any rate, both mostly mages and mostly physical gods aren't too bad off. and exist.

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(Also the topic name was really confusing because of a homophone. It'd be "How do unbalanced teams fare?")

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(Also the topic name was really confusing because of a homophone. It'd be "How do unbalanced teams fare?")

Whoops.. sorry for that English is not my native language, can someone fix it please? I don't know how.

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It does hurt your effectiveness. especially against the warrior (if in team) and the guardian (for the warrior a 4 physical team is even more painful because Mystical Mail)
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Yeah that's what I thought, the magical protections are too strong to be penetrated at some point in the game. Besides, having both passives from and would be too sturdy for a 4-magical-god-team to deal with in a late game teamfight imo. The hunter is gonna get wrecked as soon as the tf starts because he is main priority.

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I didn't even think about the item effects, you are absolutely right. Its literally opting into a handicap.

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As Raven stated, if your jungle is magic, then whoever is in solo should be looking at picking up a physical god/goddess, or you're really setting yourself up for a world of hurt.

Thanks! I'm not insane! lol

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Magical gods are way more versatile imo. But yes you should always fit atleast two physical or magical imo.

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It's true, pen boots giving both pen and power are the main reason why counterbuilding is so hard in this game.

At any rate, both mostly mages and mostly physical gods aren't too bad off. The Executioner and Spear of the Magus exist.

Yeah, are strong, but still I think like the others said that protections are always going to be stronger than pen. Like Raventhor said you would have to pass through both health and protections. Not a good idea imo.

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