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Uhh, let's look at the math.

: 40% crit chance, flat.
: 30% crit chance flat, with an extra 10% chance for every non-crit you do.

In other words, for what would be the first hit on , is better. For 's second stack, they're the same. And after that, is better.

I would still get , though I do get on , because of the synergy with his passive.

That isn't looking at the math, really. You need to actually DO the math in order for it be really be meaningful.

I'm not a math wiz by any means, but PonPon, AlexError and a couple of other theorycrafters have done the math on this and come to the conclusion that simply offers more DPS than . I'd guess you'd have to ask one of them to show you their calcs if you're not convinced.

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I haven't done any testing on it myself (never used much before really, just didn't play gods it was viable on), but what I've noticed on is that I keep having 3-4 stacks on the quite often (noted this was old ). And therefor combined with with his insane attack speed and easy way to work up the stacks (easier to hit a melee aa than a ranged), I would just assume that the extra crit chance from the stacks works in it favor (when you can build 2 stacks a second).

But I would love to see Pons (or at least someones) math on it if you got a link or something? :)

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Nah, he just mentioned it offhand in one of his streams. He does have a thread going on reddit atm, try asking him there.

EDIT: Screw that I found an AlexError calc.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/1p08ex/new_mathematics_on_rage/

Not the biggest of diffrences, but it's there.

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According to him, w/o , is better than . That proves my point. However, he extends to include the crit chance and boost damage from , which to me, makes sense that is better. 70% is a much better chance to get a crit on your first hit; I can completely believe to be better than 60% plus 10% per miss.

Though, my point was a straight-up matchup between and . According to his math, I am right, and w/o , is better.

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And as I pointed out in a previous post, if you are to build any crit chance at all you also build a Deathbringer. As such, comparing the two final tiers in isolation proves nothing.

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Yeah, if you're building a rage, you are a character who is building a deathbringer. If you're solely building rage, you're either building wrong, or playing the wrong god, in my opinion. No one needs to auto attack with a lot of crit chance, that does not want deathbringer. In fact, I think it's more common that people build deathbringer without rage, but I've never seen the reverse.

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Malice feels like it's for adc. Since you might miss some attacks you need that bigger crit chance to make at least 1 shot a difference. What if you miss one shot after the other got in? then the passive would reset it's self and you'll have to go at it again. As for rage, it's more for melee gods. You don't need to worry to much about missing especially if you combine it with fatalis or hastened.

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Thanks man gonna make some lunch and a cup of tee and plant my *** on the couch and read it :D

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So basically is better until you get (not sure how much better the new one is, he calculated the old one. Guessing the new one is a lot stronger). So lets say you get / first then all the time you spend without the will give you more dps, so the would have to do all that extra damage after you get the and before the game ends to be worth picking up really.

But if you go first you have to go or if you have or something before .

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In other words, for what would be the first hit on , is better. For 's second stack, they're the same. And after that, is better.

Rage buffs have no duration

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Rage buffs have no duration

Yeah, I know. I was using the 's stacks as a time/attack # analogy.

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