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Loki's ult is BS and there needs to be anti invisibility items in the game. Maybe make sentry wards reveal him. But really, that ult is dumb. Its too much mobility.

Lots of gods have this issue. Fenrir is another example of a god that has one too many mobility abilities. He needs to lose one of his leaps and the CC immunity on his ult needs to be before or after he bites but not both.

No god should ever, ever lose CC immunity on a self-buff ult. Ever. Buy beads and it's GG against fenrir.

Also, he can't jump during a cripple. Pick up an ares, poseidon, cupid, etc. They can all stop fenrir.

Loki's ult is literally his *only* form of escape. If you're counting his vanish as an escape, then he didn't initiate (it's his only way) and as such he deserves to escape. Loki is high risk, high reward. If he shows up from a vanish, kill him. If he doesn't ult you, and chooses to ult away, he won't get a kill. That's a win. He's an assassin, he *needs* to be mobile, same with fenrir. Taking this away from them saps them of their assassin-title. They're now useless bruisers who can neither take a punch nor catch up to deal one.

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No god should ever, ever lose CC immunity on a self-buff ult. Ever. Buy beads and it's GG against fenrir.

Wrong.

Not all gods deserve CC immunity on ults.

They deserve it mostly if they root themselves when they cast it. If a god isn't Rooted in his ult then he probably doesn't deserve CC immunity.

Gods that deserve the CC immunity:
Anubis
Ra
Ymir
etc.

There might be other reasons to give a god CC immunity but it should be something a god PAYS for... you just don't get it automatically. Consider the pros and cons of hte god and tell me if the god needs it.

For example, would anhur be under powered if he didn't have CC immunity in his ult? Obviously not. So he doesn't need that ability.

Prior to getting CC immunity in his ult, he used the ult as a finishing move. Because he has CC immunity now he uses it as an initiation especially against heavy CC gods.

A major point you need to get is that many gods live and die by their CC. Spamming the CC immunity around ruins those gods. It would be as if lots of gods had spammable ability like Chang's immunity dance. That would screw gods like Poseidon that are about burst. Or what if lots of gods had very high passive damage resistance... that would ruin gods like artemis.

You can't spam that CC immunity around and keep the game balanced. Most gods that are mobile while ulting shouldn't have immunity unless they have other big weaknesses that justify the immunity.

Its about balance. If you care at all for balance you'll weigh every attribute against every other... every pro against every con. Hirez hasn't done that which is why their balance has generally taken a nose dive.

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Disagree with the Anhur part. The way Anhur's ult works, is, if it is interrupted, it still triggers the cooldown. If he wasn't cc immune, it would be Anhur pops his ult, he gets stunned, cutting the ult off and the first exact second, therefore putting it on a 90 second cooldown with 0 damage output (or close to 0)

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I totally disagree with karmashock. An example is that anhur. If he could be cced, it is super useless. Only around 150 damage for 90s cd. Second example is bakasura. If he is cced, the enemy will roll and Baka, dead as good. Fenrir's as well

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i had the same discusion with tormented turnup a few weeks a go over anhur's ult. im curious how this one will go.

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Same as in the CC Tier discussion that devolved into a discussion on Ymir, he's very set on unavoidable CC, and the loss of CC immunity during ults. I just don't think it's fair that in a game with SO MUCH CC - there's very, VERY few gods who don't have any CC at all - most ults would become useless, and it would break very many characters. While Anhur may have been fine previous to getting CC immunity, he will certainly no longer be in my opinion. Same with Bakasura, Fenrir, Guan Yu, Kali (possibly), etc.

So I'll take my own side with Raze and dacoqrs on this one, but on that note, I think I'm finished this off-topic conversation...this IS a thread about Loki, after all. xD

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Anhur didn't used to have CC immunity in his ult and he was considered borderline OP even so... he doesn't need the immunity.

The problem is you are all used to having it so you only see the ability in the current context. You know that the ability wouldn't work as an initiation if it didn't have CC immunity. That is true.

However, previously it was used as a finishing move. That is, anhur would get someone low enough that hte ult would kill them and then he ulted... killing them through walls or creeps.

Gods like Baka and anhur should be fully counterable by CC. That is how those gods are supposed to fall. Spamming CC immunity around to such gods and letting them move while they have it is unbalanced.

Gods need to have pros and cons. When you give a god like anhur very high damage, lots of CC, and very high mobility you've made an OP god.

Saying he's squishy is meaningless since he's no more squishy then gods that have less damage, less CC, and less mobility.

I've given up on smite being balanced. Neither the devs or the player base seems to understand what "balance" means in the first place. So the game is going to be a silly and mostly stupid. Unavoidable unless people take the balance seriously and its really too late for that.

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