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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Piederman » July 8, 2013 5:06am | Report
Tantal wrote:

@BestMinionEver: I tested it by myself. I saw too much wrong mechanics informations or values in different forums, char builder or reddit and so I started to test a lot of things by myself. Was not so great a few months before but with the jungle practice map it's pretty easy nowadays.

If you need someone to test => send me a message and we test some stuff like neg. protection together. Most magical gods have only 30 magical portection => should be easy testable.


@Piederman: It's not - please test things before you mistrust my words... :/

People like you are the reason why wrong informations stay forever in the community.

If you use Spear of the Magus and Demonic Grip together you get after tgis with Freya:
protection * ( 1 - 0.1 * 2 - 0.7 * 3) - 10 * 2 - 5 * 3 - 15

100-7% is not the same as 88-7%, what are you talking about?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Tantal » July 8, 2013 5:11am | Report
You get protection reduction debuffs and the game calc this debuffs vs your protection.
If you have more than one % protection reduction debuff the game sum up this debuffs.

You spend more time to discuss here than you would need to test it.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by BestMinionEver » July 8, 2013 5:12am | Report
The thing he is saying is that the percentage is calculated from the base protection (without debuffs taken in consideration).

So before executioner stacks and Voidblade debuff ;)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Piederman » July 8, 2013 6:37am | Report
Just verified it. First stack: 125-7%-5= 111,25 Physical Protection left. Second stack: 125-14%-10= 97,5 Physical Protection left. Third stack: 125-21%-15= 83,75 Physical Protection left. Then added -25 from onto this, making it 58,75. Not 66,79 or 66,46. Thought it scaled from the base with each stack. This makes the item even stronger than I thought!
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by BestMinionEver » July 8, 2013 7:50am | Report
That's pretty broken if you ask me :P

The Executioner 21 percent, 15 flat, 30 physical power and 20 percent attack speed for 2200 gold is pretty insane.

Compared to Titan's Bane 33 percent and 30 physical power for 2050 gold.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Piederman » July 8, 2013 8:09am | Report
BestMinionEver wrote:

That's pretty broken if you ask me :P

The Executioner 21 percent, 15 flat, 30 physical power and 20 percent attack speed for 2200 gold is pretty insane.

Compared to Titan's Bane 33 percent and 30 physical power for 2050 gold.

Yes indeed. For Titan's Bane to be more beneficial than The Executioner the enemy would have to have over 130 Physical Protection as 33% out of 130 is 87,1 and 21% out of 130 -15 is 87,7. And even then it also has 20% attack speed.. they clearly haven't thought about this at all from what I can tell, as it's very rare for people to go over 130 Physical Protection unless they're a tank. :D
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by BestMinionEver » July 8, 2013 8:10am | Report
Then I'll try again!


With only The Executioner and Voidblade vs a god with 125 protection:
Aura = 125-25=100
Stacks = 100-((125x7/100=8,75)+5)=86,25 on the first stack, 86,25-((125x7/100=8,75)+5)=72,5 on the second stack and 72,5-((125*7/100=8,75)+5)=58,75 on the third stack.

If you put a Titan's Bane on top of that, it will give you 125x33/100=41,25 penetration. This will be 17,5 protection, and with the flat pen from Warrior Tabi and Jotunn's Wrath it would bring the protection down to -12,5.

Total penetration:
Voidblade 25 + The Executioner (on someone with 125 protection) (13,75*3=)41,25 + Titan's Bane (on someone with 125 protection) 41,25 + Warrior Tabi 15 + Jotunn's Wrath 15

Then the math would be like this:
300x100/(100+125-137,5)=342,9

Correct?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Tantal » July 8, 2013 8:43am | Report
No, Titan's Bane provides you % penetration and Warrior Tabi/Jotunn's Wrath flat penetration. Reduction (debuff) and penetration is not the same.

Use the formular like posted before and you will get the correct value.

The Executioner is a very strong item but you get this reduction values after your third attack - some fights are over after a few attacks - esp. if more than one attack the same god.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by BestMinionEver » July 8, 2013 9:04am | Report
sucks that I can't check it myself xD

Is the percentage from Titan's Bane taken from the protection the enemy got after debuffs then?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Piederman » July 8, 2013 10:08am | Report
I leave it to you to figure that out BestMinionEver, here below you have the numbers you can use.

Anhur
102,5 Physical Power
Damage upon basic attack with Titan's Bane is 51.
Damage upon basic attack with Titan's Bane + the aura from Voidblade is 56.

Ares
125 Physical Protection
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