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No, it's only the chronological way it happens but that has nothing to do how to calc percent or flat protection penetration/reduction.

Sure, if you go in aura range without attacking the opponent - only the aura debuffs works. If you attack him =>

% reduction > flat reduction > % penetration > flat penetration

Ask an ally and spend this ~10 min to test it in a custom game.

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So the percentage is taken from the lets say 125 protection not 100 then, if you got voidblade?

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Thx guys!
I know that the formula for protection is this:
Original damage*100/(100+amount of protection-amount of penetration you have)(-) = damage after protection mitigation.

which gives:

300x100/(100+100-50)=200
300x100/(100+100-150)=600

Am I wrong or is penetration the best way to go when it comes to damage output?

And also if anyone can clarify it, when does the percentage from and apply, is it before or after flat pen?

I know that comes first because that is a aura debuff so that would come before percentage as well I would guess. The same with the stacks from because the are also debuffs.

So with only and vs a god with 125 protection:
Aura = 125-25=100
Stacks = 100-((100x7/100=7)+5) on the first stack, 88-((88x7/100=5,81)+5) on the second stack and 77,19-((77,19x7/100=5,4)+5) on the third stack.

A total of 58,21 penetration at 3 stacks and Voidblade which makes the target have 66,79 protection. If you put a on top of that, it will give you 66,79x33/100=22,04 penetration. This will be 44,75 protection, and with the flat pen from and it would bring the protection down to 14,75.

Does this seem like it is correct to you guys?

Why don't I get the same decimals as you?

125-25 from Voidblade = 100
First stack: 100-7%-5= 100-7-5= 88.
Second stack: 88-7%-5= 88-6.16-5= 76,84.
Third stack: 76,84-7%-5= 76,84-5,3788-5=66,4612

125-25 from = 100
First stack: 100-7%-5= 100-7-5= 88.
Second stack: 88-7%-5= 88-6.16-5= 76,84.
Third stack: 76,84-7%-5= 76,84-5,3788-5=66,4612

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Am I not thinking clearly, or how did you manage to get it to 58.21 from 125 with only using and ? Let me know where I'm doing it wrong please.

125-25 from = 100
First stack: 100-7%-5= 100-7-5= 88.
Second stack: 88-7%-5= 88-6.16-5= 76,84.
Third stack: 76,84-7%-5= 76,84-5,3788-5=66,4612

It's the amount of penetration total, you bring it down to 66,79 from 125 ;)
So yeah, you are right ;)

But after what Tantal said it might go down even more if you are supposed to take the percentage from the amount of protection before voidblade.

Can't check it out myself because I'm on vacation :P

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125 * (1 - 0.07 * 3) - 5 * 3 - 25 = 58.75

If you use also Warrior Tabi (usual better than Ninja Tabi) & Titan's Bane:

(125 * (1 - 0.07 * 3) - 5 * 3 - 25) * (1 - 0.33) - 15 = 24.36

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hmm, If you are right Tantal, The Executioner is just broken :P

Looking forward to test it out, I always thought you took the percentage from the amount of protection an enemy has atm (what I have been seeing other ppl say for ever).

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No I mean, why do I get ,46 and you ,79 when we are using the same math? I'm using Microsoft standard calculator.

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I had 5,81 on the second swing (which is supposed to be 6,16), so I think that's why my math is wrong. No idea how that could happen (guess that's why I just barely passed math xD)

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125 * (1 - 0.07 * 3) - 5 * 3 - 25 = 58.75

If you use also Warrior Tabi (usual better than Ninja Tabi) & Titan's Bane:

(125 * (1 - 0.07 * 3) - 5 * 3 - 25) * (1 - 0.33) - 15 = 24.36

This calculation is false as you simply can't say 0.07*3 as the second and the third one will not be the same as the first one, as it's based on a percentage of the real number. And the affects the enemies before does, right?

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@BestMinionEver: I tested it by myself. I saw too much wrong mechanics informations or values in different forums, char builder or reddit and so I started to test a lot of things by myself. Was not so great a few months before but with the jungle practice map it's pretty easy nowadays.

If you need someone to test => send me a message and we test some stuff like neg. protection together. Most magical gods have only 30 magical portection => should be easy testable.

@Piederman: It's not - please test things before you simply say that my correct & tested numbers are wrong... :/

People like you are the reason why wrong informations stay forever in the community.

If you use Spear of the Magus and Demonic Grip together you get this after 3 Pulse hits with Freya:
protection * ( 1 - 0.1 * 2 - 0.07 * 3) - 10 * 2 - 5 * 3 - 15

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