Season 4 Conquest Starting Items

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Posted also on Reddit, but editing the original with additions here:

This is slightly in-depth (TL;DR), and I am looking for feedback.

In preparation for SMITE S4, The Overarching Conquest Guide is going to need a major revamp in multiple areas.

Specifically in this post, I'm looking to cover the most COMMON starts for each role. Until the meta settles, I would request peoples' minds be open...I'm trying to think of various situations and varieties of starting processes.

One big guess on change...we're much more likely to see movement speed items built first before stacking (except perhaps in the Mid-Lane with select gods w/ escapes), due to the more dangerous jungle and earlier rotations.

*NOTE* Tooltips as of 1/23 still show Patch 3.25 state, so don't use them for reference. Use THIS.

ADC:

Traditional Hunter: Death's Toll (800), Boots (300), 4-6x potions
Mage (Sustain): Vampiric Shroud (800), Shoes (300), 4-6x potions
Mage (Aggressive): Soul Stone (800), Shoes (300), 4-6x potions

Additional comments: When we still see Neith in ADC, possible she still starts T2 Transcendence + potions...

Jungler:

Traditional Jungler w/ Mobility: Bumba's Mask (500), Combat Boots/ Magic Shoes (900), 2x potions
Aggressive Early Game Assassin: Rangda's Mask (500), Combat Boots/ Magic Shoes (900), 2x potions
Physical Basic Attack Sustain: Bumba's Mask (500), Death's Toll (800), 4x potions
Physical Ability Clear: Bumba's Mask (500), Bluestone Pendant (800), 4x potions
Mage/Guardian Alt: Bumba's Mask, Sands of Time, 4x potions

Additional comments: Might we see an aggressive assassin in a pre-made go for both AND , with and potions?

Mid:

Conservative Mage: Vampiric Shroud (800), Shoes (300), 6x potions
Aggressive Mage: Soul Stone (800), Shoes (300), 6x potions
Alt Mage: Sands of Time (800), Shoes (300), 6x potions
Jungle Sustain Mage: Bumba's Mask, Vampiric Shroud OR Soul Stone, 4x potions
Standard Hunter Mid: Bluestone Pendant (800), Boots (300), 6x potions
Alt Hunter Mid: Charged Morningstar (T2 Transcendence) (1200), 6x potions

Healing Mage Supports

Okay, quick discussion time. Look, this COULD be a thing if Hi-Rez can tweak things correctly. I know this is a controversial subject...with the huge healing nerfs and more anti-heal, it's pretty bad right now.

For gods not named (who should absolutely remain more focused on damage), I propose higher base damage on abilities w/ low scaling, higher base healing w/ low scaling, and possibly higher base health...that could be a start, and will keep the hybrid utility of a magical healer up by allowing them to build into protections without sacrificing as much damage.

There are more options for healers these days, and some interesting ideas for protections...and now we've got a possible escape with the universal Shield of Regrowth...there ARE options.

Anyway, on this, expect most standard starts would use standard Support starts (see below).

Alright, back to your regularly scheduled programming.

Solo:

Standard Basic Attacker: Death's Toll (800), Boots (300), Chalice of Healing (300), 2x Multi Potions
Standard Ability, no sustain: Bluestone Pendant (800), Boots (300), Chalice of Healing (300), 2x Mana Potions
Standard Ability w/ sustain (e.g. Chaac, Tyr, Amaterasu): Bluestone Pendant (800), Boots (300), 6x potions
Alt, no sustain: Swift Wing (800), Boots (300), Chalice of Healing (300) or 6x potions
Magical Solo: Soul Stone or Vampiric Shroud (800), Shoes (300), Chalice of Healing (300) or 6x potions
Magical Alt (Single clear ability, no DoT): Sands of Time (800), Shoes (300), Chalice of Healing (300) or 6x potions

Support:

Standard Support: Watcher's Gift (800), Boots or Shoes (300), 8x potions
Alt Jungle Clear Support: Watcher's Gift (800), Bumba's Mask (500), 4x potions
NOTE: I expect Chalice of the Oracle to be picked up quite often after first back...at least by those that regularly use wards...agree or no?

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Do you think Sands of Time might work in solo?

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wrote:

Do you think Sands of Time might work in solo?

My guess is that it CAN work, but since it's magical only, we've got a limited list that sometimes can be seen in the solo lane (at least in S3).

It's perhaps best for gods that usually use only one ability with no DoT for clear. or perhaps those that have some healing in their kits. These might include:

Hel with her revamped Decay
Chang'e if she's mainly just using Crescent Moon Dance and saving the heal to for herself and to support minions.
***bakharna
Ra
Ymir

The others, I'd guess, including gods with ticking abilities like and , would make better use out of for the easily applied damage.

I'll add as an alt start for magical.

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I'd say the patch summed it up best "While Soul Stone is for pure Damage and Vampiric Shroud is for Health Sustain, Sands of Time is for Mana and Cooldown, a starting stat gap that existed for Support and hybrid Mages.” Gods that really need mana and CDR at the beginning are going to benefit the most from it, namely healers with good lane clear that suffer from poor mana sustain and long cooldowns (Aphro, Chang'e, Hel, maybe Ra). Gods that can actually be aggressive in Solo early game, even against a Warrior, or gods that don't suffer from mana issues but rather need more power for lane clear will be more likely to go Soul Stone, especially if they're AA focused (Freya, Chronos, Zhong Kui, maybe Ra). Most gods that don't have healing will still probably just go Vampiric Shroud though for the sustain.

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