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'Chalice of Mana' is optional, but recommended.
Attacker's Blessing
Combat Boots
Chalice of Mana
'Ninja Tabi' is essential, do not switch this for other boots unless you plan on staying at low mana.
Attacker's Blessing
Ninja Tabi
Short Sword
Ward
If your looking for more speed, 'Golden Blade' may always be exchanged for 'Hastened Katana' but your lane clear will suffer greatly.
Attacker's Blessing
Ninja Tabi
Deathbringer
Bloodforge
Golden Blade
'Brawler's Beat Stick' is only recommended if the other team has healing of course, but in the instance where the passive is less useful, 'The Crusher' is a great alternative.
Ninja Tabi
Deathbringer
Bloodforge
Golden Blade
Brawler's Beat Stick
If its this late in the game that means its serious, you should be able to handle any situation you come across.
Ninja Tabi
Deathbringer
Bloodforge
Golden Blade
Brawler's Beat Stick
Breastplate of Regrowth
after selling 'Ninja Tabi' you have options, make the decision based on what you have been most successful with so far. If your Ring Toss has been doing the most. then get 'Runeforged Hammer' If your basics have proven to do the most, pick up 'Malice' Should your grab and ult happen to be the best option, then pick up 'Arondight' If you find yourself needing more speed to catch the enemy, grab 'Atalanta's Bow'
Runeforged Hammer
Malice
Arondight
Atalanta's Bow
Ring Toss First!! If you need more healing your Flaming Spear wont help! It does not give more health based on ability level! Your ult is mainly crowd control until you get 'Deathbringer' dont worry too much about it until then.
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This is a pretty in depth guide to Ne Zha, Made REVOLVING around joust. You can try to use this build in other places but i cant promise how far it will get you. Dont get mad at me or the guide because you tried using it somewhere i didnt intend it to be used. If it works then fantastic, let me know your findings and i will gladly add the information to this guide.
HE IS NOT A TANK NATURALLY
Ne Zha has potential to 1v3 a solid joust team, not because he has high health, and not because he has range. KEEP THAT IN MIND WHILE PLAYING. If your not landing your basics you will get shutdown, he is a god of patience and precision, these builds are only half of what you'll need to run Ne Zha in joust successfully. You will also need skill and a team thats ready to help you when you ult.
Ring Toss is your top priority, but dont be upset if you mislevel something. Using this as your entering ability is perfect for slowing the enemy enough to grab them with your sash. If you have ult up, using this the INSTANT after you connect with them usually allows for a clean ult without beads getting in the way. By the time you land from your ult your lotus stacks should be at least half full, DONT USE THEM unless you have to of course. Save the lotus stacks for when your health is in the red and your either retreating, OR if your skilled enough, wait for your enemy to come back at you thinking they have a chance. Pop your spear, grab them with your sash and start swinging with no regrets, life steal and crits will carry you back to full health plus a kill or two. In the instance where the tables are turned and your chasing a low health enemy, take your time with it. YOU ARE FASTER, so dont waste your abilities if you cant hit them, especially your ring toss. Save the ring toss for when there are more minions or enemies around that way the ring bounces back and forth dealing insane amounts more damage. Should you have shield of regrowth you can pop your spear, as long as you have at least one lotus stack, and you will get a massive speed boost. If you are in your last 100 health and dodging isnt your strong suit, then try sashing your pursuer and then continue running forward in the direction you leaped, while turning to hit them with your ring toss and popping spear as you escape into the jungle youll find yourself bamboozling many opponents. Another escape that most people hate using is your ult, as im sure you've seen when you miss, you can go a pretty large distance by using it. That being typed, when you do make an attempt at ulting an enemy be sure there is space for you to dash behind them if you miss. If they are against a wall and you miss it usually ends up bad, however if have space to move behind them and their team you have the opportunity to stun and isolate their mage/hunter while the rest of your team pushes.
First things first, if you have the chance pick him last. No one expects it and he is easy to shutdown if going against the wrong team. Secondly, he works best with god that have high sustain, this build is slow at first but unstoppable at the end. Which means playing conservative until you get 'Bloodforge' is a priority. As always keep in mind you have side lanes and wards at your disposal, but until later game he is best kept close to the teams tank. A solo on demon king is possible instantly after 'Bloodforge" is complete, just save your spear for when the stacks are full. I explain some strategies i use in the skills chapter if you want more on tactics.
Simple Pros:
Fast
Crit Based
High single target damage
Late game flair
Great with a team
Flexible
Simple Cons:
Slow Start
Skill based abilities
low 1v1 potential early game
Crit Based can become a con too
Mediocre Ult
I wont cover creeping as he is very straight forward with his attacks, hard to stay ranged when only one ability is ranged and your other two entry abilities crowd control you as well, in a way. On the other hand his jungling can be straight forward as well. Start your camps with your ring toss on the big minion, then insta pop your spear for increased attack speed, her attack pattern is easy to learn and the final swing does hit all targets in range. 'Golden Blade' of course makes camp clearing extremely effective with just your basic, no abilities needed.
If you have someone else with hard crowd control, let them use theirs first. If the target you sashed moves, you will not move with them rendering your ability a low quality dash at best. Keeping this in mind, ring tossing to start your teams attack is always a great option, as long as you dont waste your sash pushing with them. In the event you ult an enemy while their team is around, they will land in the same spot you took them up from... BUT the farther you are from them when you casted your ult is how far you will bounce from them when you land, putting you close to where you began the encounter..of course sashing the enemy first will result in you starting the encounter right next to them which would land you right next to them post ult. Having your team push to secure your landing position will result in a kill from whoever you ulted, plus youll make it out alive.
I got rank 10 Ne Zha like three days ago, and ive enjoyed every bit of playing. I plan to expand this guide with two more builds that i enjoy using. I also plan to do a few other gods that ive come to know and love over the years so please let me know your thoughts on this one so that i may improve my guides in the future. Thanks for learning :)
side note: I mainly play joust and i dont plan on changing my build. I made this to spread the build that has given me countless wins, hoping it could shine some light on those trash other guides that seem to think ne zha is not in meta right now :)
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Let's start at the threats. I assume you were planning on expanding this so this part can be ignored or taken as advise. My first advise would be to expand this by text, why is e.g.
IMO you should rename the summary chapter to introduction. A summary often provides a small recap of the most important points.
Your basic chapter is pretty well described, the (assassin) class and required teamplay in Smite (which new players often are unaware off).
Okay the skills chapter. My first point of feedback I have to give here is formatting. I am aware you're still figuring out most of the BBcode functions like double bracket's to get the hover over information. However, to increase readability of sections/notes/etc. can I please request more/better use of "blank lines" or paragraphs or simply called the enter key. It will increase the readability.
Also readability wise the section is slightly a mess jumping from skill to skill back to another skill. This kinda causes confusion.
Some things I did find curious in your explanation:
For ranked play the inclusion of playstyle, what people can expect with the build. I do think you should clarify once again that it's for joust as this does not seem that optimal for a conquest jungle who wants ganking.
Maybe giving some examples to gods or comps with high sustain might help. Knowing joust I fear you easily called for a team without tank as an
The last 2 sections provide solid information.
Okay that was pretty much the feedback on the guide part. I only have one section left to note which I find missing and that is the item explanation part. The part where you explain the items you get, why you get them and why at that spot.
While I don;t expect you to answer them or discuss them I am going to ask some questions that are heavily on my mind about it.
First one is the skill order. I get the rush in ring toss, however afterwards the lvlign order is quite split. What is the benefit of not rushing flaming spear or sash (lvling them somewhat evenly) afterwards or grabbing that extra point in ult at lvl 10 and then finish it last instead of just lvling it last)?
Now the build assuming a joust setting I really wonder why
Because I assume the answer in the last question lies in deathbringer I am going to have to ask what is so beneficial to the early game crit, especially since you're not planning on fighting (so why grab DB first instead of bloodforge). We both know
Last question is why the stated hybrid build focuses AA first, which is known to be weaker early game stronger late game, and ability last, which is known as stronger early game, weaker late game).
I hope you can find some worth in my feedback to help you improve your guide writing skills.
When I first started visiting this site when I was a fairly low level casual player I had a build for
I've looked back on that
So although it may hurt to hear what everyone thinks, because they have spent a lot more time doing this than you have, try not to take it so personally as an insult to what you've done. I can see you've put your own thought and effort in and I would like to see if you can look at it and find a way, your own way, to improve it. Although some people may come off as blunt or rude we are all here just trying to help.
I wish you the best.
I think if Bran commented before anyone else did he would have been fine with listening to it but just adding it on top of the pile of other criticisms is what led to him commenting as you have all described as spiteful/hostile. I'm just trying to get through to him y'know.
The reason they have these criticisms is because there are so many dynamics in the game to understand, and yes your build of course works well at your current matchmaking rank, however not particularly because your build is bad but because of how the meta works in smite, you will eventually start to lose games, because you will win so many with your build that you will be matched with players that understand these extra dynamics and will outplay you because of such.
So if you don't want to be open to suggestions then that is fine, but I guarantee you that if you could make your build better you would not only keep winning your current games but you would be winning the higher level games as well.
The
As I said, if you don't want to be open to suggestions that is fine I'm just trying to explain in the clearest and nicest way possible that sometimes it's good to be open to suggestions and you don't need to be as defensive about it.
So, Joust Ne Zha. He's definitely fun to play there. And with both teams sharing just the one lane, you can get some easy confirmation of damage from
That said, I think I get what you're looking to do here, and that's okay in a general sense, but I think you could get better effect from some build adjustments. I think it's obvious you want to go for a basic-attack build, rather than the more traditional ability build. I'll keep that in mind.
Firstly, although your writeup is mostly walls of grey text, I do like a lot of the content. It's obvious you're familiar with the god and I think you give some good pointers.
One tip about the sash into the ult is fine, but while you don't talk about relics, you might also consider
One other point to that, if you dash from distance, is you save your sash for followup and immunity frames, and depending on how far you dashed in your ult, you create some distance when you land, which makes it more difficult for the enemy to predict where you'll land if the front liners didn't see. It also means you have a better chance of escape, should the situation turn sour.
As for the build, I have some issues with the choice of
I think that
And while historically some Ne Zha builds would go with 1 crit item in DB due to the 15% crit chance in his
Shield of Regrowth is an interesting pick, and while generally easy to trigger the passive, I don't know that it really fits with this build. MS for the sake of MS is less appealing, and since you're going with a basic attack build rather than ability, it just doesn't seem to fit that well.
In any case, that's my general feedback. If I was dedicating myself to basic attacks, other items I might consider would be
And if you're last-picking Ne Zha and planning for good synergy or teamwork with your teammates, then it's less about relying on your own safety through heals and MS, and more on timing.
Would be interested in hearing your feedback.
He hasn't created his own build because he doesn't need to. He loves this game and he loves helping people/discussing build paths with people. He has enough knowledge of this game and all the gods/items to have these discussions.
But your immediate response is fairly hostile and not open to feedback, so I think you're not looking for feedback in general, but only looking for praise and positive "hey good build" feedback. I guess I'm done here.
again thanks for the input tho
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Better example Ne Zha Joust builds (From Masters+ Players).
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2orUPjrXB8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xRi5eQmKotg
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RDidATFwI3s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VTbCaNp2D-w
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And yeah, DB rush was definitely more popular when Ne Zha's ult was stronger. It's been nerfed significantly, and so has DB's passive bonus damage, so it's not really a good early item anymore.