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Hunter's Blessing
Morningstar
Healing Potion
Multi Potion
Ninja Tabi
Warrior Tabi
Transcendence
The Executioner
Qin's Sais
Odysseus' Bow overcaps AS by .03, not a big deal IMO.
Pick whichever passive you prefer.
In this build Odysseus' Bow overcaps AS by .03, not a big deal IMO.
Ichaival
Odysseus' Bow
Ninja Tabi with 
Elixir of Speed and buy a situational item.
Late game you can replace Ninja Tabi with Elixir of Speed and buy a situational item.
Transcendence
Ninja Tabi
Asi
The Executioner
Qin's Sais
Ichaival
Ichaival
Odysseus' Bow
Bloodforge
Titan's Bane
Brawler's Beat Stick
Runeforged Hammer
Silverbranch Bow
Purification Beads
Aegis Amulet
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B
A
X
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If the Item damage of
If the item damage of
I got these ratings with protections set at 70 and health set at 2100. Increasing these numbers I didn't see that big of a difference.
If my math is wrong then none of this matters lol but best case scenario:
So 679 more damage split to 5 people(136 per person) every 4th AA or slow a squishy's AS down by 30% every 3rd AA, 10% per AA.
Regarding the best use of
As an FYI, in your O-Bow calcs, I plugged it into DV-8's and my calculator, and added a side calc for total O-Bow damage (taking enemy prots into account as well). The assumption here will be that it hits 5 separate god targets, and that the target already has full Exe stacks. The value I get per target is 119.2 damage, or a total of 5 separate targets at a combined 596 damage. Each regular basic attack also deals 355 damage. Standard DPS outside of the O-Bow passive is 683.74. In 4 hits including the O-Bow passive, damage on a single target is (355*4) + 119 = 1539 damage.
If I use
Both O-Bow and Ichaival are very viable. I personally like Ichaival more...the power will also help any ability damage you deal, and I really like the passive AS slow and value it more than the O-Bow poke damage.
One thing I do notice is that
Also as an FYI, with Ich in that full build before Tabi replacement, your AS is 2.43, almost max. With O-Bow, it hits the cap...so basically not much difference in overall AS between the two at that stage.
When you replace Tabi late, you've got options, but I don't think you need more AS.
- I think a great fit is probably
Runeforged Hammer. 919 total DPS with its passive (meaning just stay in Winter stance). It beats out the DPS of BF, as an FYI.
- Another option, if you really want that AS maxed, is
Silverbranch Bow, as it narrowly beats out Rune at 927 DPS.
- Funny enough,
The Crusher beats Silver at 931, and that's before the passive damage is considered.
- Last but not least, consider investing into a single crit item.
Rage at no stacks gives you 929 DPS. At full stacks, 993 DPS. Keep in mind this is an average based on crit chance. Wind Demon without the passive up gives you an average at Rage's values...while with the passive, gets the same DPS as Rage fully stacked. But that crit chance, of course, is not so reliable at 20%.
FYI these are numbers still based on an enemy with 70 prots, and withI played around with items to replace boots with before updating the guide. Still can't decide which one I prefer.
I'd say I'd still prefer Ichaival. The lesser AS is fine cuz he has a good AS steroid. And any power (even unstacked) is better than none when he's ulting. Does that sound right?
21/0/16 game!! Amazing thank you
I did my own comparisons(*not the first to see or use this build) and it seems like a Hybrid build with both
These are strictly DPS numbers which Kero stated the calculations for total damage = AA DPS + Item + P + 1 + 2 + 3 + 4. It accounts for stats like Power, Pen, Crit, LS, AS, etc. You can also toggle Stacks and Procs for items. So there could be more to a build than just DPS for hunter but then again I'm still learning.(The hybrid build still has good sustain with the 200 extra health and lifesteal)
I can make a spreadsheet comparing the builds and items if someone wants me to provide it.
I took
Sorry for the long post, hopefully some of this made sense. Please give me your feedback so I can make this a better guide.
I don't understand why people don't like sites that help out new people or people who want to try a new God but don't know where to start. Seems like in general there aren't a lot of content creators that want to help grow the community.
In your Hybrid build, I'm not sure I like seeing
I also - in theory - just don't like the concept of
FYI, I'm going to trust in DV-8's and my spreadsheet that we created (crossing my fingers that it's accurate). See here: https://www.smitefire.com/smite/forum/theory-crafting/dv-8-amp-branmuffin17s-hunter-dps-calculator-58893
Here's a snapshot of your example build.
Also, when we're looking at full builds, default protections should not be 48. That's the level 20 prots for magical. Average physical prots without added items is usually around 68-70, and that's the value that should be used at a low end.
I like the added health from Rune, but in the end, I guess I'm also just a hunter ADC traditionalist. I'd prefer to stick with the old builds.
To me the default 48 protection was just a constant number to use for all builds, I also compared them around 100 protections and 150 protections. I will try and post some screenshots at 68 protection, 2k HP.
Again this is with this calculator so everything I post could be wrong. That's why I'm asking for help.
I agree with you that not using the passive of
Thanks for taking the time to discuss this, I appreciate your help.
Edit: Fixed the links, thanks.
Yeah, the hybrid build definitely seems to be stronger, at least for a god that has 0 steroids. I'm guessing it doesn't take O-Bow's proc's into account, but that's okay, as it's fairly minimal overall. It also requires the enemy to be CCd to take full effect.
It also doesn't have the same amount of lifesteal, but dealing more damage will help make up for some of that difference.
There are definitely arguments for the Rune build. It's very interesting to see a different build come into prominence. Still don't like Silver.
So I'd go: dev, boots, exe, rune, rest of the build swapping dev out for bf late.
The second item is
Crusher is allright on him, but you typically see that on transcendence builds while Cernunnos usually go's devourers, though i've seen some runeforged thing going on with hunters.