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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » October 9, 2013 1:45am | Report
I understand that the primary demographic for this game are males 14-30 years of age. Sex sells, and yadda yadda. I get it.

But if you look at 10 male human god designs, we have:

1: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
2: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
3: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
4: Functional armor.
5: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
6: Robes and other "job" clothes.
7: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
8: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
9: Fanservice/Stripperific clothes.
10: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.

10 female god designs:

1: Stripperific.
2: Fantastic yet somewhat functional armor.
3: Stripperific.
4: Stripperific.
5: Stripperific.
6: Stripperific.
7: Stripperific.
8: Functional armor.
9: Robes and such.
10: Stripperific.

It is insulting. Just...insulting.

Athena, I think, is what most, not all, of the others should emulate. Yeah, a bit impractical and spicy here and there, but it mostly looks cool, dignified, and not at all like the cover of Sports Illustrated: Swimsuit Edition crossed with Dragon magazine.

Yes, you should be able to go all out with gods like Aphrodite (and maybe Freya), but this game, I think, really pushes it at times.

Don't ask why, ask yourselves "why not?"

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » October 9, 2013 1:58am | Report
Still waiting for point where over sexuallised woman are bad. Also this. Why are you not complaining about over sexuallised male gods?
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TormentedTurnip » October 9, 2013 2:57am | Report
Are you seriously trying to say that the female goddesses are more sexified than the male ones? Because really, they aren't; they're both incredibly sexified. It's more insulting when people fail to realize this, in my opinion.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Subzero008 » October 9, 2013 3:34am | Report
Hey, if someone was going to say it, better sooner than later.

Oh, and TormentedTurnip, take a look at the following list.

Note: Sexualized is a broad and subjective. When I use it, I mean the kind of design that most people would think as sexualized. For example, Apollo's bare chest would be considered as sexual to most, while, say, Zeus' toga-thing could be or not be. That's why Apollo is "yes," while Zeus is "maybe."

Male "Humans"

Apollo: Sexualized.
Ares: Not.
Bacchus: NOT.
Chronos: Not.
Cupid: Not.
Guan Yu: Not.
He Bo: Not.
Hercules: No idea.
Loki: Not.
Mercury: Not.
Ne Zha: Not.
Odin: Not.
Poseidon: Sexualized.
Thor: Not.
Tyr: Not.
Vamana: Not.
Vulcan: Not.
Xbalanque: Not.
Zeus: Perhaps.
Zhong Kui: Not.

Ratio: 2-4/20 are NOT sexualized.

Male "Entities" that look somewhat human:

Agni: Yes.
Anhur: No.
Ra: No.
Hades: No.
Thanatos: No.
Anubis: No, because of that big snarling jackal head.

Now compare both lists to the ones on the bottom. TormentedTurnip, take a good look.

Female Human-like goddesses:

Aphrodite: YES.
Artemis: No.
Athena: Maybe.
Chang'e: No.
Freya: Yes.
He: Yes.
Kali: Yes.
Isis: Yes.
Neith: Yes.

6-7/9 goddesses are castoffs from Busty Divine Beauties.

Female humanoid entities:

Arachne: Yes.
Bastet: Yes.

Now its 8-9/11 sexualized goddesses.

You must be blind if you cannot notice a pattern here. Therefore, I must state that I feel that TT's statement is invalid and inadmissible.

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And as for whether if it's bad, or not...I honestly have no idea. People have differing opinions, and I have a feeling that stating my opinions will unleash a hydra of pointless arguments.

But I will say this. If I were opposed to the very concept of a sexualized god/goddess, why would I question aesthetic choice instead of morality?

Besides, I think we can all agree that equality is a good thing.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Blissey1 » October 9, 2013 8:03am | Report
Quoted:
Hercules: No idea.


Ha! Good one.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Sirsir94 » October 9, 2013 9:02am | Report
-Kali stares at me from the background-
*Shakes head as if from a trance*
What are you getting at Sub? Are you suggesting a visual rework for 4/5 female gods? Do you know how long that would take? You say its for aesthetic reasons, so its very very VERY unique to each person. Some people feel like you do, some don't care, and some enjoy it (maybe too much). Would i like to see Neith wear more than a slingshot thong?
... oh, sorry!
Given her win screen, yes. *ahem* And maybe some could be a bit less realistic (Like when Aphrodite 'lifts off' *>.<*)
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by TormentedTurnip » October 9, 2013 9:03am | Report
Let us look at your original post where you stated that "Athena, I think, is what most, not all, of the others should emulate. Yeah, a bit impractical and spicy here and there, but it mostly looks cool, dignified, and not at all like the cover of Sports Illustrated: Swimsuit Edition crossed with Dragon magazine."

Athena just so happens to be the only female tank as well! More armor goes hand-in-hand with that, and the majority of the goddesses are either assassins or magi, in which case less clothing is more optimal. Except for Ymir, who's only got a chastity belt on; his tankiness comes from his ability to stun enemies with his sexiness, preventing them from action.

And I would have to disagree with what you considered sexified. For instance, Zhong Kui is labeled as "no" on your list, when he has half his skin showing and a nipple ring. Whether or not he's actually sexy does not mean he isn't portrayed in a very revealing manner.

And I also think this was posted because of Hel's rework, and like I said, she was just ask sexified before her rework as she is now.

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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Sorlux » October 9, 2013 9:08am | Report
Most of there appearances are based off of there lore which is very sexualized. Not a smart idea to change there appearance just for what people want instead of actually looking like the god they are supposed to be. This is why Sun Wukong was removed completely because his look and skill set was no where near what Sun Wukong should have looked like.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by Ghostlander » October 9, 2013 11:43am | Report
Seriously, have you seen any actual old art of gods and goddesses? They have little to no clothing most all of the time. Stop complaining.
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Permalink | Quote | +Rep by All4Games » October 9, 2013 11:56am | Report
Subzero008 wrote:

Hey, if someone was going to say it, better sooner than later.

Oh, and TormentedTurnip, take a look at the following list.

Note: Sexualized is a broad and subjective. When I use it, I mean the kind of design that most people would think as sexualized. For example, Apollo's bare chest would be considered as sexual to most, while, say, Zeus' toga-thing could be or not be. That's why Apollo is "yes," while Zeus is "maybe."

Male "Humans"

Apollo: Sexualized.
Ares: Not.
Bacchus: NOT.
Chronos: Not.
Cupid: Not.
Guan Yu: Not.
He Bo: Not.
Hercules: No idea.
Loki: Not.
Mercury: Not.
Ne Zha: Not.
Odin: Not.
Poseidon: Sexualized.
Thor: Not.
Tyr: Not.
Vamana: Not.
Vulcan: Not.
Xbalanque: Not.
Zeus: Perhaps.
Zhong Kui: Not.

Ratio: 2-4/20 are NOT sexualized.

Male "Entities" that look somewhat human:

Agni: Yes.
Anhur: No.
Ra: No.
Hades: No.
Thanatos: No.
Anubis: No, because of that big snarling jackal head.


Ares is over sexuall. portrait overly manly with a big sturcture and act's like a football jock.

hebo. since hebo is half water and half coverd in robes i ask help of hebro to prove that he is over sexuall since hebro is what hirez would make hebo look like if he didn't where robes. very buffed

herc. not sure if you made joke? he is so over sexuallised. really not even funny.
merc. like his brother very sexuall just not in the buffed way
nezha is a child who hasn't hit puberty yet so he doesn't count
odin. old and very buffed. at that age i would be proud to look like that

thor. he comes straight from the cover of a womans novel *insert title here* long hair very masculin.
tyr. same story as odin. look at the sword he wield with just 1 hand.
vulcan. look at him he is very musculair and basicly a body boulder.
zeus. combination of odin and thor. very masculair and looks like he comes straigt from a woman novel. body boulder.
anhur. look at his arm muscle. its huge. body boulder.
hades. just becaus he is bony doesn't mean that he can't be sexuall (see the joke in that?) his scaletall structure is very large. imagine how he would look with meat on this bones.
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