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bestminionever: he had that damage output thanks to swarm not thanks to passive:-) I will bet on that :-D

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just to let you know when I mided with him I killed Poseidon twice or three times BECAUSE OF THE PASSIVE

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The CDR on his ult need to be, like, 50% or so. An 80% decrease is just stupid on something so strong and easy to use. And yes 'he has to pick up his stinger which puts him in a vulnerable situation hurr-hurr!' but I mostly play Arena and I rarely don't get to pick it up. I miss with it more than I fail to pick it up. And see my previous post on how easy it is to hit it.

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just to let you know when I mided with him I killed Poseidon twice or three times BECAUSE OF THE PASSIVE

Honestly, his passive is the thing that annoys me the most. I mean, if he actually hits me directly with a skill that infects me with bees, that's fine, but the fact that it'll infect you from an ally or minion that has it annoys me. I'm not a clueless person who will stand in the line of my minions to be hit by an attack that hits straight ahead, but against AMC, I could be standing off to the side like always, but his bees will get to me even if he doesn't aim his attack at me. May just be small tick damage, but it really adds up.

And his hives I'd definitely like to see some reworking with. They give such great buffs, and yet they're completely disposable. If you take one, two, three, whatever down, it's no problem. He'll just keep setting back down with a low cooldown and a low mana requirement. And he can have up to 8 of them up. I've heard and seen people numerous times putting a hive starting from their spawn area all the way to the fighting areas just to get there faster because they can. Coupled with that is that they have a long effective range.

For the most part, I'm fine with most aspects of AMC, but I feel that his strengths more than makeup for his weaknesses. I'd like that his passive doesn't leap from character to character and some reworking with his hives. I'm fine with his ult, though I know it would be really nice if I could grab an item back to massively reduce the cooldown of the ult for various gods. I'm fine with the bees being able to swarm on his honey.

These are just my opinions, though. He's definitely OP, but I've been in plenty of matches where he was outplayed by others, so it's nothing a few tweaks can't fix.

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It's funny really. Most people will tell you that a god that has no hard cc sucks, but is obviously good.

I think they need to take the whole retrieval thing behind the , either that or nerf the damage...

I think his greatest weakness is his lack of good escape. I mean, what good anti-burst does he have? His surely isn't gonna stop a from backstabbing him to death. is hardly an escape, considering anyone with any sort of jump, dash, or teleport can get out of that. From a standpoint, I could easily ult out of it and right onto him. His has too much of a charge-up time to be effective.

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Actually, he can just spray the trail behind him, creating a huge slow effect. It's like dashing through He Bo's river-thingy, the long way.

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Yeah, actually, if Loki gets hit by the bees debuff, he's visible to Ah Muzen Cab. He is a very very very hard counter to loki.

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bestminionever: he had that damage output thanks to swarm not thanks to passive:-) I will bet on that :-D

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60 base damage and 90 percent of your physical damage... That spreads to everyone!

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Yeah, actually, if Loki gets hit by the bees debuff, he's visible to Ah Muzen Cab. He is a very very very hard counter to loki.

Just because someone can SEE does not mean he counters it.

Sure it's an advantage, but it doesn't actually help survive once Loki starts bursting, it just helps him escape before can kill him.

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His minion clearing potential early game is just silly with Swarm. He clears waves faster than a Mage and has amazing poke power with his passive.

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