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Not all passives should be on par, much like not all skills and ultimates should be on par. Compare to or , and there's no competition.

No, but they should be close enough to where they're fairly useful to the god/goddess that have them, and actually make sense toward that particular one. Darkest of Night isn't the most amazing ult, but it does help him with his basic attacks a bit at least, which are a big part of his kit. gives him across the map presence, and it goes along well with his kit of being very mobile. Of course they're not amazing ults compared to some others, but they do fit with what the god specializes in and it works for them, which the same can be said for Isis' passive. As I said, I don't think it's a bad passive, but I can understand some peoples' reasonings that it's not a great one.

Also going with what Raventhor said, that is very true, sadly, we have a lot of gods/goddesses that deviate from that logic. Granted, I don't think Vulcan is bad, in fact, I enjoy playing him, but his passive does nothing to help him or his kit, while we have great gods like He Bo that have great skills, a great ultimate, and a great passive all in one package. Whether or not someone has a good skill set, I still think the passive should at least be beneficial toward their intended role.

I know what you said isn't a generalization of all passives, and was just toward what I said about Isis, but I just took what you said and went off on a bit of a different tangent with it to talk more about the whole topic of passives in general rather as just a response to you.

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Give vulcan a root instead of a slow :p

Would be so much fun (but probably way to OP) xD

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I only said that some passives are better than others and that's fine in the case of Isis. Believe me, no one knows how painfully useless heavy shot is more than me. I have played Vulcan. A lot.

I agree with everything you and Raventhor said. What I wrote was solely referred to Isis' passive.

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Ne zha passive, combined with Stone of gaia makes Ne zha the best assassin to go in 1v1 against mages(except He bo and maybe Zhong) never lost against them as Ne zha so it have it`s uses.

In CQ, it may be a little underwhelming, but helps a lot in the early game, many times I just buy 2 mana potions instead of 1 mana 1 HP just because of that passive. In the end, I would like to see a little change in that, what if for every point in his stack, Ne zha get 0.5 physical power. Too OP?

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Maybe if it was 40 stacks instead of fifty. Idk why but that seems like it would work well but Ne Zha already hits so hard that a buff like that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. His current buff gives him some more sustain and whatnot and well what ne zha lacks is survivability. It would really boost his early game though.

Also on a separate note what problem do y'all have with Ares' passive? I find it works great and shifts his focus to more of a magical bruiser role and considering his kit, that fits him waaaaaay more. He has little to no peel or true hard cc other than his ult and when people see an ares they automatically buy beads so it is often less useful for the pull and more useful for wasting someones beads or securing a low health kill. Plus he isn't all that difficult to counter so it doesn't really make him OP. Maybe a move over to a warrior would fit him more instead of a whole rework and changing his passive. Because really... who does magical damage with a sword?

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Also on a separate note what problem do y'all have with Ares' passive? I find it works great and shifts his focus to more of a magical bruiser role and considering his kit, that fits him waaaaaay more. He has little to no peel or true hard cc other than his ult
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It's just the class his kit doesn't fit the guardian class and his passive doesn't either.

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