The new Assault Meta: Minion Denial + "Da Sandwich"

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Okay hello everyone! There's this new assault meta thing going around that all the pros are using (aka. Me), and must I say, hilarity follows. Let me guide you using a simple 6 step process that allows you to DESTORYYY!

FIRST:
Get a god or goddess that has an ult that allows them to travel long distance unharmed, most notably 's and 's

SECOND:

Build at least two lifesteal items. (Ex. and )

THIRD: Wait until the following conditions are met:

1. One or both of your towers are destroyed
2. No enemies are about to respawn in the next, eh, 20 seconds
3. The enemy team has your team under tower/phoenix
4. One or both of the enemies tower's is destroyed.

Now, only 3 is TRULY necessary, but the other one's make it much easier.
All those conditions are met? Awesome

FOURTH:

Ult over/through/behind/around the enemy team's heads and get as close to the enemy minion spawn point as possible (Preferably right outside their phoenix or 2nd tower)

FIFTH: Whenever minions spawn, kill them. If enemy god's come to stop you, kill them if you can while attacking minions for lifesteal.

SIXTH: Keep doing this until your team pushes up and/or you die.

Now I can already hear the professional Assault players (lol) going PFF, DAC, YOU'RE ******ED.

Ah, but wait, hear me out.

By killing their minions before they can push tower, you are effectively denying their ability to push by making it so minions never get to your tower.

If they want to push, they'll be forced to tank it themselves, which is a bit of a hassle and can weaken their team later on.

Now, any smart team will send people after you, for sure. Here's why they lose no matter how many people they send.

1: If they only send one person, you'll have the advantage because you can lifesteal off of minions and easily kill them.

2-3: 2 or 3 people is the most effective, but if most of your team is alive, they'll push up easily.

4-5: If they do this, well... your team basically can move up without threat.

"Pfft, sure Dac, that's a bunch of ********. But what is "the sandwich""?

Well first of all, it's called "Da Sandwich", moron.

It's when your team pushes up because the enemy team has no minions, and as they run back to their towers with low health, crying to their mommies.. BAM! You sandwich their team between you and the rest of your team. Basically a guaranteed deicide.

Welcome to the new Assault Meta, enjoy your stay :P

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I imagine that I go to do this and they simply turn around, I get hit with with 3 ultimates and die, I imagine that it sounds like a great plan until Poseidon drops a whirl pool under you, releases the kraken, while Ymir comes to freeze you or drop his ult, while bastet releases cat call out....

Sounds god on paper but I have a feeling it will get your raped..... hard...

I guess there is only one way to see if its true, I know your surely aren't coming back alive that's for sure.

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ICEN I've done it before as Merc lmao... you don't ult into them, you ult PAST them :P If they're TRULY pushing your tower (Like they should be, if you're doing it right), then they're gonna take a while to reach you again... and if they send too many people your team can easily push up.

You just have to try it I guess xD

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I never really did this before but I have dived past towers on Assault before just to dive and every single time the entire team always chases me if I dive past any of their towers.

That would be like if someone dived past your tower on assault? Obviously your not going to let them camp back there so your probably going to get thirsty for their blood and want that kill for the extra gold and take them out of the fight.

I get what your saying by if they all follow you then they will get their tower taken.

What I am saying is Ra can literally solo 1v5 and protect his own tower, I mean Ra can ult the minion wave while 4 of his team mates go kill you then come right back.

Even Chaac could probably defend his own tower for a bit by himself.

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No, but you're not diving past towers... you're diving behind enemy lines. While Ra can clear minions by himself, he definitely cannot 1v4 your team.

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1: If they only send one person, you'll have the advantage because you can lifesteal off of minions and easily kill them.

2-3: 2 or 3 people is the most effective, but if most of your team is alive, they'll push up easily.

4-5: If they do this, well... your team basically can move up without threat.

Easily kill them, what a joke. Like all terrible guides, you just assert and assume that you'll win. for no reason.

Yes, your team can push without threat...for the 10 seconds it takes to kill you, and then come back.

One final fallacy: If you take the minion's XP by yourself, you also also denying your team that Xp and Gold. So even if this tactic succeeds, you will still be at a disadvantage.

And really, you are stupid. You think that just because they're forced to tank it themselves, means they can't push? I've fought against mono-mage teams before, and the solution is to just kill them all so they can't hurt you while you're pushing, WHICH IS A LOT EASIER WHEN ONE OF THE ENEMY TEAMS GOES OFF AND KILLS HIMSELF.

I say this as a guy with a 60% win rate in Assault. This tactic does not work.

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What ICEN said. You're pushed all the way to your phoenix, making it so that you are at a disadvantage. And now you intentionally put yourself behind enemy lines with no backup.

If you think you can buy two lifesteal items and then magically become unkillable because you can just hit things for healing, you are beyond stupid. And if you CAN kill them by simply buying two lifesteal items, against the entire enemy team whose spawn point you are sitting right next to, you are so fed that this doesn't even matter.

It is stupidly easy to kill you one v one due to the fact that you have no support, no one to peel for you, and no one to bail your *** out. It doesn't take multiple people, just one.

Easily kill them, what a joke. Like all terrible guides, you just assert and assume that you'll win. for no reason.

Yes, your team can push without threat...for the 10 seconds it takes to kill you, and then come back.

One final fallacy: If you take the minion's XP by yourself, you also also denying your team that Xp and Gold. So even if this tactic succeeds, you will still be at a disadvantage.

And really, you are stupid. You think that just because they're forced to tank it themselves, means they can't push? I've fought against mono-mage teams before, and the solution is to just kill them all so they can't hurt you while you're pushing, WHICH IS A LOT EASIER WHEN ONE OF THE ENEMY TEAMS GOES OFF AND KILLS HIMSELF.

I say this as a guy with a 60% win rate in Assault. This tactic does not work.

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Now I can already hear the professional Assault players (lol) going PFF, DAC, YOU'RE ******ED.

Told you so.

Sub, why. Now I have to make an essay longer than your essay, all the while knowing that no matter what I say I won't change your opinion. ****ing wonderful. And before you scream at me for only using part of your quotes, please keep in mind that I am simply quoting the first few words so that way you know which paragraph I am referring to, okay?

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"If you think you can buy two lifesteal items..."

I didn't say I was magically unkillable, NOR did I say you wouldn't die doing this. I was saying it will help your survive longer, and Sub, believe it or not, it's quite easy to win 1v1's if you have alot of lifesteal. I've done it before, have you? Mercury is one of the best boxers in this game, all you do is pop your AS steroid, run at them with your three, throw them into the air, and start beating the **** out of them. You do get two free hits, after all. With plus , you'll be healing for a **** ton when you crit.

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"It is stupidly easy to kill one v one..."

If it's one v one, as you say in that paragraph, then the 1 god they sent to kill you has no one to peel, no one to bail his *** out, nothing. So, disregarded. If you mean that he can run back toward his team, great. Lifesteal off of minions and it'll be like the fight never happened. Meanwhile, the enemy team STILL has no minions push tower. So either they send more people to kill you, allowing your team to easily overpower them, or they're stuck and forced to tank it themselves, which is a huge ordeal to a team with no tank.

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"Easily kill them, what a joke..."

I clearly state the reason why I feel I will win. Disregarded.

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"Yes your team can push without threat..."

It does take longer then 10 seconds, you have to trust me on this. They have to run all the way back to their phoenix, leaving your team open, kill you (and obviously you put up a fight and try to get a kill), and then come back, possible with one or two less people, all in the course of, I'd say a minute. If you have to die anyways to buy items, who cares if you die?

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"One final fallacy...."

True. Never thought of that. Good thinking.

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"And really, you're stupid..."

Gee thanks. And I didn't say it means they can't push, but it makes it much harder to push because they're using their own health bars. Your team will easily be able to intercept them and get at least a kill in this situation.

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"I say this as a guy with..."

Wow, really Sub? Stat wars? Is that what you've turned to now?? We don't take kindly to that here.

Basically, some people like it, some people don't. But at least give it a bloody try before you scream at it ffs.

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Well, aren't you presumptuous.

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A good guide maker and player knows to NEVER assume that you'll win a fight, unless you are legitimately one of the best players in the world (like Faker).

Besides, being stuck next to their structures provide its own disadvantages, such as lower mobility (using an escape in a certain direction will put you in tower range) and being outranged (ranged champions can kill you while within the range of their structure, making it difficult for melee gods to fight back).

And getting back to my point that you missed, getting multiple lifesteal items won't save you. It lets you heal off of minions and such, but it won't stop you from getting killed near-instantly due to the disadvantages. Also, it's far more efficient to get damage and lifesteal instead of just double lifesteal, as everyone knows.

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Obtuse, obtuse, obtuse. You do realize, that their tank will be about 50 feet away, while yours will be about 150? Or that as soon as they're losing a fight, they can just back off, while you can't? Or that if two people come in and kill you, it will take them literally 5 seconds to get back?

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I clearly state the reason why I feel I will win. Disregarded.

Stop. Ripping. My. Style.

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It does not take a minute to kill someone. You have nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, as a squishy target who most likely does not have beads or aegis or the like due to it being Assault. You are literally surrounded by both the enemy team and minions, and what's worse, you burned an ultimate to reach your current position. A competent enemy should be able to kill you easily.

Also, you make the assumption that a numbers advantage will guarantee victory for your team. I've been outnumbered countless times in Assault, and numbers aren't everything, especially when the entire enemy team turns around to kill you, knowing it will take a second at most to do so, and then turn back to defend. Even if your allies jump on them that exact second, the distance gap you create makes it so that they can never reach you or them in time.

Your strategy is similar to any Apollo or Mercury who uses their ultimate to finish off an enemy. Cut off from their allies, they die within seconds, and the enemy team can rarely do much. They can't push in a few seconds. They can't jump on your team when they're in tower range, in a 4v5 fight. It's a sacrifice play, a trade, only your strat doesn't even kill anyone.

Not to mention you will be utterly useless in a teamfight, not only due to burning an ultimate, but being separated from your team in the first place.

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Even a half-brain-dead team will know NOT to push until they get minions, or the enemy team is dead. They get minions by killing YOU.

The problem with your strat is that you're assuming that the enemy team will make bad plays.

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Wow, really Sub? Stat wars? Is that what you've turned to now?? We don't take kindly to that here. Basically, some people like it, some people don't. But at least give it a bloody try before you scream at it ffs.

We? That's awfully presumptuous of you. Careful, you're starting to sound like Arka there. He, too, constantly talked as if he were a part of a resistance against the evil "senior guys."

Stats are important when they count. Like it or not, a guy with a 62% Assault win rate is going to be a better assault player than a guy with a 53% win rate. You need to accept that. Like, if the difference is <5%, okay, it doesn't matter. But when it gets to 10%, yeah, it matters.

Also, I have given it a try, Mr. Presumptious. Proxy farming is nothing new to MOBAs, LoL had it a period of it a while ago.

Conquest is suicidal, because minions in this game are ridiculous at level 1. Domination, on the other hand, is fantastic.

Assault? In the one game I tried it, I lived, and I managed to stop 2 waves of minions, until my team got tower. But the reason why it worked was because we were curb stomping them, and we happened to be pushed all the way to their tower. Or in other words, we were already winning and it made little difference. It didn't matter whether I was in front or behind their tower; it was going to fall soon, anyway.

Your ideal scenario shows the exact opposite; where THEY are pushed to YOUR tower, and therefore, your allies cannot come to help you, and the enemy team had a ton of time to kill you. Even if you were ****ing Singed, you'd be dead.

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STOP wanting to constantly strangle one another! is not funny, its not good and its annoying for all of us!

can you 2 just stop doing this to eachother?! if not then dont even ingage an argument with eachother!

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OR!
You could just ignore it ;)

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