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Goodmorning Smite community, I'm here with yet another question for you ladies and gentlemen. This isn't really an attempt at a build, but more curious on if this build could actually work in more than just an Arena situation. I will explain my reasoning for why I built an assassin as such.

It's always my choice for any character. "It's not about how many punches you throw, but the power behind it."

Since there were more physical characters, especially that , I wanted more physical protections and the immediate cooldown. I didn't build since I planned on for penetration and the cooldown and mana that this armor has along with the combination of

I built this because I saw on SmiteJunkies.com that this was recommended on . Also for the extra power that I wanted in case I had to 1v1 anyone else. I've never exactly calculated how much it brings.

This was to complete the rest of the cooldown along with the extra protections and it's passive that I find to be very good. The magical protections weren't much, but it was more so directed for that annoying [Zhong Qui]]. I wasn't too worried about .

This actually helped me survive some encounters with and kill . I figured with the defensive protections from and this would fit quite well into this build to help me stick around the team fight.

This is a really good and cheap power/penetration item. It's one of my favorite items.
I mentioned that I didn't build because I was gonna build this item. However I also heard flat pen and percentage pen doesn't mix, so until I understand penetration and armor I always only build one pen item..In every game and every played character.

I've seen people also build on . I want to say someone named Andinster put it on and he was clocking people with it.
A friend told me is built better as quite a tank. I'm still learning. I usually put on but I felt it was a bit expensive and would work quite well for a replacement.

I didn't place this in Thor's comment section cause I wasn't too sure where to properly place this nor was in too sure of the character limit for texts.

This was my own little attempt at something different. Kind of a counter build attempt as well. So could this possibly work in any other game mode? Maybe Clash?

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Someone help :(

Memorable (11)
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This blog is the best place to put this kind of question.

I'm not a pro of , so other people could give you more precise hints.
But here are my opinions and reasoning.

Your build is not bad, but I think it could be improved a bit.
We need to focus on the strengths of
- Ability based god
(You mentioned Andinster using , but Andi's a pro, he could build anything and do good with .
- Powerful early game, falls off a bit late game

So, in your build, you want
- Boots
- CDR
- Power
- Penetration
- Protection

So,
(Needless to explain, only choice really)
(You need CDR and power early game)
CDR Defence item (Situational, depending of who is the threat)
(You need penetration, but needed defence and CDR before)
2nd Defence item (Situational, depending of who is the threat)
Situational item

In Arena, most of your games will end before you have your 6th item.
So your builds should be 5 items with the 6th item being situational.
It can be anything, from more damage, more penetration, more defence, anti-healing, crit (why not), etc

Compared to your build, the main difference are
Using instead of to maximize your early game potential.
Getting earlier, to maximize your early game potential.

As for your first defensive item, since you need CDR.
it gives both protections and a nice passive.
if the threat is mostly from physical and the passive is awesome in Arena.
if the threat is mostly from magical, gives you some damage as well, but requires stacking.

For your second defensive item.
if you need balance between magical and physical. Easy to stack in Arena.
against physical, gives you some damage too.
against physical and AA gods.
against magical, only if your team doesn't have one yet.
against magical, even if they don't have healer, the raw stats for it's cost worth it.

If you are ahead and feel you don't need that much protection, you can go for hybrid items.
against physical
against magical

About , this is a very good item, since it gives a huge amount of power.
However, in Arena, it's a bit harder to build stacks, especially as , because you don't want to waste your poke/escape and it's risky to use your on the waves.
This also applied for

So, on that game, I would have used this build

Last item, I chose since you were ahead and didn't need that much defence.
Plus, they had 3 tanky gods to deal with, so the penetration would be welcome.
Finally, they had 3 gods that could heal themselves, so the passive is not wasted either.

If you are from behind, you might want to swap 4th and 5th items.
You will get tankier sooner, but will lose damage.

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Exactly this ^.

Now, you were asking for if this would work outside of arena...but inside of arena, Bullfrog's build is pretty much what I'd build if I thought it through =P. The build you used would be great if you were in Assault and your team didn't have a tank...then can substitute as the tank by building strong protections like you did...outside of as it's not allowed in that mode. Also, in an Assault case, you'd probably want to build in a slightly different order, perhaps getting tier 2 of first for the regen.

Outside of arena, don't know if you mean Conquest or not, but that's where you could start considering stacking items to some extent, like . However, you also want to consider what role is best for . With his ability to physically block enemies via and his great mobility via the huge range on his ult and his , he's going to be a jungler for ganking purposes, and he'll have a hard time stacking from minions since he won't be killing nearly as many as being in-lane.

Also, your comment on and , planning to get doesn't have to be a reason not to get Jotunn's. Titan's would be diminished by protection reduction items like , but you can never have too much penetration.

Your build obviously worked for you, at least in that match. A better indication of how you've done is on the details page, where you can see the damage you've taken and mitigated, as well as the total player damage you did. Maybe that build is best for your style and how you play, though...you won't do as much damage, but not dying is also a good thing.

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Considering you didn't have secondary line in your match (ie: no warriors, your only tank was ), building as a bruiser tank worked well for you, and it made sense in that context. I would personally advise against , you buy that item solely for the mana. You'll get more dps out of or . Given the context you gave though, I think that you were right to build your other items and made good decisions based on the situation at hand, I would also avoid atm, it's just not the greatest option for its price in most contexts.

Bullfrog does make good points though, you may have been equally effective with the build he gave you, but building as a tank did allow you to be a second line and better enable the other members of your team to deal their damage. In general though, Bullfrog's build is my go-to with , although I sacrifice power by getting before so that I can get those stacks on earlier and have them for longer in the game. But that's more down to personal preference and whether or not you're ahead or behind.

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I didn't think about the fact that being a bruiser was a better bet than going damage for that particular team comp.

However, even though you consider his build more "tanky", he only had physical protections.
He justified it because the enemy team being 3 physical and 2 magical and wanted to resits 's burst.

However, if we look at the game results
had some damage items, so he must have hurt more than you would think.
had the best score, which let me think he was first to 20, and maybe top damage as well.
, while being broken, only build 1 damage item, and late game only.
, as a total failure, got no penetration item (beside the 11 from )

So, I think it would have been better to go both protections rather than focus on physical protection only.

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It was probably justified for and , but I see what you're saying, may have been a better choice over if you looked at what they were building, of course hindsight is 20/20. I'm still inclined towards physical protections because I'm used to gametypes where you want to be able to tank tower shots and objectives, but in arena that does matter less. Admittedly though, a lot of their DPS late game would still have been coming from since she was their ADC and was building appropriately, so focusing more on physical protections late game still had some reasoning behind it. (Also, just as a note, can escape 's AOE of damage quite easily because of his ult and his teleport, so it may not have been as much of a problem for him).

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You are mainly a conquest player, while I am mainly an arena player.
Usually, it should not make a difference, but now I start the see the difference in our mindset.

From experience, mages "usually" are a higher threat than hunters in arena.
Reason is that most hunter (except maybe if built appropriately, which is not the case here) are dangerous only late game.
But late game only lasts a few minutes.
Yeah, it's important to get protection against those crazy damage, but in Arena, the most important thing is to stay alive the most possible.
Therefore, building protection against early gods is better than focusing on the late game gods.
For that matter, if I had those enemies to deal with, I would be more afraid of than any others.

To support this fact, if we look at the stats of that match
(4/4/8 20k damage)
(7/7/8 41k damage)
(2/5/7 13k damage)
(6/10/9 18k damage)
(2/2/10 14k damage)

While the player damage doesn't mean much, at least it indicates who is the threat if you want to survive.
As we can see, could be pretty much ignored, while was the most dangerous.
As for , I have the feeling her damage was quite low early game and that she was about to be a threat now that she had the crit. But it's too late to worth focusing on physical protection in my opinion.

Also, damage is not only his ultimate.
Yes, his ult is very scary, and yes, can escape it, but his 2 others abilites does quite a good damage and are easy to hit, and can't really escape them.

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From experience, mages "usually" are a higher threat than hunters in arena.
Reason is that most hunter (except maybe if built appropriately, which is not the case here) are dangerous only late game.
....
Therefore, building protection against early gods is better than focusing on the late game gods.
For that matter, if I had those enemies to deal with, I would be more afraid of than any others.

What I was trying to say isn't that you should be more afraid of early to mid game than . That's why it was appropriate to build for 's dominant mid game. Overall throughout the match, is going to deal more damage to players. A lot of that damage won't do a whole lot, it's poke damage since he's a mage that hits in AOEs so it won't necessarily lead to kills. By the time you and are at 5th item however, she becomes a huge threat. with his build won't be able to 100-0 you with those basic protections. Neith with her completed 5th item would be capable of shredding you in little more than a and a few basic attacks, even with your protections. That's why I'm saying that was a desirable 5th item. It's true that the late game doesn't last that long, but that's the time during which you'll have either or a magical or mixed defense item, and neither of those will protect you from 's damage suddenly doubling.

Basically all I'm trying to say is: don't underestimate hunters. They're stupid strong.

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