The Fate of Divine Ruin and Brawler's Beat Stick

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Since the begining, SMITE has had two items dedicated to combating healers, lifestealers and regenerating tanks. They were for the physical gods and for the magical ones. Sadly, these two items were rarely used due to a poor mix of stats for their cost, with every stat they offer being better on other items. Lifesteal? or Devourer's Gloves were better. Crit? Take a and a instead. was pretty much better than in every way outside of the mana and passive, and very few mages could really stack the healing debuffs to make it work.

Fast-forward to today, and a new active has recently been added: . Okay, not so much "new", as it is a Tier 3 buff to an existing item, the that used to just slow enemies down. Not only does it just slow them, it completely, 100% negates healing for the duration of the curse. To top it all off, it costs a mere 900 gold, with the lower tiers of the active still being useful to hinder escape attempts.

The only drawback? It uses one of the two ability slots on your god. If you're a tank or some other god who doesn't need actives to survive however, then you shouldn't have any qualms about devoting an ability slot to when necessary. After all, what better way to further support your team as a tank than by completely negating the opponent's ability to recover health via regeneration, lifesteal, and direct healing? Oh, and don't forget the slowing too!

Put simply, completely invalidates any need to get or due to how it does the one thing those items were designed for better.

Now this makes me curious: What will HiRez do with these two items now that they've been rendered obsolete?

One possibility could be to simply remove these items from the game. After all, why leave garbage items in the game that no sane player would build and only trolls would ever take? Alternatively, I would much prefer HiRez to take the effort to rework these items to make them viable. Perhaps by changing or increasing the stats they give. Maybe the should give twice as much crit chance? Perhaps should provide more magical power and lifesteal? Maybe the passives could even be reworked so it can completely null healing just like the new when fully stacked? The last possibility I could think of is just nerfing the curse, but I'd rather not see this happen when it's the only thing keeping healers from being broken in Assault.

I'm interesting in seeing what everyone else thinks of this situation.

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make the passive effect last longer, make it a bigger debuff and give both a bit more power. make divine ruin 60 magical power so that it over takes some other magical items and give it 200 mana.

give brawelers 20 pysical power.

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I'd rather see them revert the Creeping Curse change ^_^

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Just read the descriptions, and they dont stack? When was that changed? If I remember correctly, that was one of the redeeming factors of the items, since you could stack them hard on a god like Ra. Personally I would like the see them be reworked as well, if Brawlers had more lifesteal and crit chance, and as stated above the duration of passives was increased, it might be seen in matches more often.

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I'd rather see them revert the Creeping Curse change ^_^

^ says the person who has three guides on healing support gods. XD

Out of curiousity, do or remove the healing debuff of Weakening Curse?

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^ says the person who has three guides on healing support gods. XD

Exactly! :P

From what I remember testing a month or two ago, cleanse does not remove the healing debuff, but simply hinders the slow. That is to say, if I cast a rank five cleanse on myself after being affected by Creeping Curse, I should be able to move at normal speeds for 1.3 seconds. However, I believe the healing buff remains.

However, I'm pretty sure that if Creeping Curse is applied to any targets that are under the effects of cleanse, it will not affect them at all.

As for Beads, I have no clue, but Heavenly Agility is definitely a better counter to Creeping Curse.

I'll have to verify what I've said by testing it in-game, because I'm not positive on anything >.>
I'll post back here once I do (hopefully today).

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Props to Leblinski for going into 1v1 with me to test this out.

In regards to Creeping Curse:

Cleanse, when used preemptively does not apply its slow but it will still nullify heals.

Cleanse, when applied after-the-fact only hinders the slow for the duration of cleanse, and it will still nullify heals even during the duration of cleanse.

With beads, the exact same thing applies.

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Buffing Divine and Brawler's would be stupid, because then you would just pick it up normally (which you shouldn't because it is situational items made to counter healers).

Picking up items like Divine and Brawler's should make you sacrifice damage IMO. Think about how rubbish other lifesteal items would become if Divine and Brawler's was picked up in every match..

Brawler's have been useless for a long time (the only times I've seen it be picked up the last 6 months or so is on Assault), but I still think Divine is decent (not on you magic carry ofc, but on your tank/solo lane)

And yes the 100% debuff on Weakening Curse is a bit much, but it makes you sacrefice an active so IDK. :P

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Well tbh it's not like anyone was consistently picking up these items (noobs aside) before the buffs aside from that time period where was completely OP in his ult other then that these items have been trash for as long as I can remember ,so the buffs are not the problem.I think that they should either buff/change the stats that Brawler's Beatstick and gives or change there passives make the do something else,because even if they made reduce the healing by 20% you would still be better off picking it up over either of those items.

P.s.A price reduction might make them a bit more viable options ,but I doubt it unless you are facing a team that's stacking healing.

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Just because an item is situational doesn't mean it should be stupidly weak.

Lets take a look at . It should be situational for just physical-heavy teams, yet even if you discount the passive, 80 physical protection is the highest of any item barring with it's passive. It also gives a decent 200 health. Hide alone on most bruisers and tanks gives them adequate coverage against whatever physical threat exists on the opposing team, even if it's just one or two gods. By a similar token, is just as good, if not moreso because of the higher health it provides you for non-physical threats.

Now obviously you don't build it when there's only magical damage on the enemy team--hell, ANY physical protection is dumb when there are five magic gods after you. But if there's even one physical god present, items that give protection+health are nearly always worth it.

So why are the items designed to counter healing stupidly useless compared to every other offensive item in the game?

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