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Don't build against tanky teams. You can trade Deathbringer for Wind Demon.
Don't build against very squishy teams (1 tank or less).
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Ok, build overhauls:
Against "Squishy" Team (NO TANKS, NO DEFENSE items built): Devourer's Gauntlet, Warrior Tabi, Rage, Toxic Blade, Deathbringer, Poisoned Star.
Against Tanky Team: Devourer's Gauntlet, Ninja Tabi, Ichaival, Qin's Sais, The Executioner, Titan's Bane and lategame sell Ichaival for Toxic Blade. (You could also get Bloodforge instead of Titan's Bane.
In 99% of cases though you shouldn't get Anti-heal as a Auto-Attack focused hunter as it hurts your build and your Mid, Jungle and Solo should be picking it up instead.
Ok, build overhauls:
Against "Squishy" Team (NO TANKS, NO DEFENSE items built): Devourer's Gauntlet, Warrior Tabi, Rage, Toxic Blade, Deathbringer, Poisoned Star.
Against Tanky Team: Devourer's Gauntlet, Ninja Tabi, Ichaival, Qin's Sais, The Executioner, Titan's Bane and lategame sell Ichaival for Toxic Blade. (You could also get Bloodforge instead of Titan's Bane.
In 99% of cases though you shouldn't get Anti-heal as a Auto-Attack focused hunter as it hurts your build and your Mid, Jungle and Solo should be picking it up instead.
Thank you for being more constructive.
I prefer Brawler's over Toxic always I can because I think it is a better item. Even if I mostly play conquest, I made this build in a clash. In conquest, I wouldn't go for any of these antihealing items with characters like Xba unless they had crazy healing, like Hercules + Aphrodite + Chang'e, or something.
I also don't dash aggressive and save it to escape unless I know I can get away with it.
And just because it's clash doesen't mean teammates can't get anti-heal. I do believe Brawler's Beat Stick is only functional and safe to apply if you have decently ranged poke (e.g. Artemis or Hachiman) or you are an ability based hunter (like Ullr, Neith, Skadi).
"I also don't dash aggressive and save it to escape unless I know I can get away with it." - Using Poison Darts to apply anti-heal is risky as it doesen't have much range which means you will likely need to sacrifice your dash after applying Brawler's anti-heal to get away safely, which is why I recommended Toxic Blade.
And just because it's clash doesen't mean teammates can't get anti-heal. I do believe Brawler's Beat Stick is only functional and safe to apply if you have decently ranged poke (e.g. Artemis or Hachiman) or you are an ability based hunter (like Ullr, Neith, Skadi).
"I also don't dash aggressive and save it to escape unless I know I can get away with it." - Using Poison Darts to apply anti-heal is risky as it doesen't have much range which means you will likely need to sacrifice your dash after applying Brawler's anti-heal to get away safely, which is why I recommended Toxic Blade.
I didn't find the 2 risky to apply Brawler's in clash. I did and I destroyed.
Also I already said I try not to use the 3 aggressive unless there is no risky on it. I don't use it to apply Brawler's. 2 is much better for that purpose, as it is a cone DOT damage.
Should I mention that's the very same purpose of the build? OMG... I play conquest only. And why would I recommend any antihealing build if not against healers? Really, dude, what are you on about? Did you even read the very own title before posting?
He may not have said it very nicely, but I think you might be missing his point. He's saying that focusing the actual basis of this build for anti-heal is wrong. In a meta sense in Conquest he's right, at least building it that early as you have it.
Brawler's Beat Stick might be a good optional late-game item for some ADCs if facing lots of healing, but getting it early is somewhat stunting your DPS, at least in some respects. Even if facing more squishies (or concerning yourself mostly with squishies), you're really lacking a core pen item in your build. The Executioner is typically found in any build focusing on basic attacks, which you are doing since you commit to O-Bow and 2 crit items. BBS's 15 flat pen is just not quite enough. Exe should take priority over Odysseus' Bow or BBS at least.
In your other build, you have Titan's Bane, which is a decent pen item in some respects, but not for ADCs unless you fully commit to ability use (which you shouldn't do in Conquest) by also getting CDR items. The only time you'd get TB in conquest would be late (6th item, or 7th by replacing your blessing), after also having gotten Exe.
O-Bow is also likely built a bit too early in either build. It is a usually a situational late game item that works better in the Qin's build, because at least there, you can take advantage of Qin's passive. You probably don't want O-Bow in the crit build, because you are again lacking pen (you should prioritize core items like Exe before getting non-core ADC items like O-Bow) and because you want power items to help his ability scaling. O-Bow has 0 power.
He may not have said it very nicely, but I think you might be missing his point. He's saying that focusing the actual basis of this build for anti-heal is wrong. In a meta sense in Conquest he's right, at least building it that early as you have it.
Brawler's Beat Stick might be a good optional late-game item for some ADCs if facing lots of healing, but getting it early is somewhat stunting your DPS, at least in some respects. Even if facing more squishies (or concerning yourself mostly with squishies), you're really lacking a core pen item in your build. The Executioner is typically found in any build focusing on basic attacks, which you are doing since you commit to O-Bow and 2 crit items. BBS's 15 flat pen is just not quite enough. Exe should take priority over Odysseus' Bow or BBS at least.
In your other build, you have Titan's Bane, which is a decent pen item in some respects, but not for ADCs unless you fully commit to ability use (which you shouldn't do in Conquest) by also getting CDR items. The only time you'd get TB in conquest would be late (6th item, or 7th by replacing your blessing), after also having gotten Exe.
O-Bow is also likely built a bit too early in either build. It is a usually a situational late game item that works better in the Qin's build, because at least there, you can take advantage of Qin's passive. You probably don't want O-Bow in the crit build, because you are again lacking pen (you should prioritize core items like Exe before getting non-core ADC items like O-Bow) and because you want power items to help his ability scaling. O-Bow has 0 power.
Build is intended against situational heavy healing teams. That's why Brawler's is built soon. I built this exact order against an Aphro, Herc and Sobek in a clash. I wouldn't do so soon in a conquest. Titan's Bane is a better antitank item than Executioner now. I sometimes (and only sometimes) prefer it over it and it fits this very same situational build.
I maybe didn't specify too much about the situations to build these items, but you didn't pay much attention of think about it much neither.
He may not have said it very nicely, but I think you might be missing his point. He's saying that focusing the actual basis of this build for anti-heal is wrong. In a meta sense in Conquest he's right, at least building it that early as you have it.
Brawler's Beat Stick might be a good optional late-game item for some ADCs if facing lots of healing, but getting it early is somewhat stunting your DPS, at least in some respects. Even if facing more squishies (or concerning yourself mostly with squishies), you're really lacking a core pen item in your build. The Executioner is typically found in any build focusing on basic attacks, which you are doing since you commit to O-Bow and 2 crit items. BBS's 15 flat pen is just not quite enough. Exe should take priority over Odysseus' Bow or BBS at least.
In your other build, you have Titan's Bane, which is a decent pen item in some respects, but not for ADCs unless you fully commit to ability use (which you shouldn't do in Conquest) by also getting CDR items. The only time you'd get TB in conquest would be late (6th item, or 7th by replacing your blessing), after also having gotten Exe.
O-Bow is also likely built a bit too early in either build. It is a usually a situational late game item that works better in the Qin's build, because at least there, you can take advantage of Qin's passive. You probably don't want O-Bow in the crit build, because you are again lacking pen (you should prioritize core items like Exe before getting non-core ADC items like O-Bow) and because you want power items to help his ability scaling. O-Bow has 0 power.
This build is completely situational. I don't usually build these items or Titan's on ADC, and I think the title makes that clear to begin with. You guys aren't looking at it with perspective and with the goal it is done. You should rethink thing a little more before commenting. I didn't start playing conquest yesterday. I've played towards 4.000 h and 800 conquests. Titan's is a great antitank item for anyone and does fit that situational build. Think before talking.
He may not have said it very nicely
Lol very he rarely does
I rarely do? Do you even know me from anytime before?
OK. Then I apologize.
I rarely do? Do you even know from anytime before?
This is my first post here...
Anyway, welcome to smitefire.
scummyhardcore/harsh, but he does give good advice on building and gameplay.Hey hey, easy. He's trying.
Your comment on that was actually awful. You didn't understand the purpose of the build but still talked like you're superior or something. I don't know who you think you are.
Of course it can, but not with such commments like yours, that's for sure.
The build is not troll or awful, just very situational and I don't know when I said it's not. You seem like you didn't even read the title or the notes and starting letting all your **** out anyway.
When kriega said "troll/awful builds" he meant that there has been a lot of bad/misguiding builds on this site lately which have been getting on his nerves. He wssnt specifically referring to your build.
Hope that clears it up dude. Take it easy man.
When kriega said "troll/awful builds" he meant that there has been a lot of bad/misguiding builds on this site lately which have been getting on his nerves. He wssnt specifically referring to your build.
Hope that clears it up dude. Take it easy man.
OK. I'm not used to this site. Reddit gets to make it all clearer IMO.
Unfortunately that's what happens when anyone can post a build on here. This isn't in reference to this particular build because I haven't looked at it yet and it looks like Bran and Kriega have already discussed it, so I won't add to it. If this build works for the op, then great, but based on the title, it is very much a situation build.
Unfortunately that's what happens when anyone can post a build on here. This isn't in reference to this particular build because I haven't looked at it yet and it looks like Bran and Kriega have already discussed it, so I won't add to it. If this build works for the op, then great, but based on the title, it is very much a situation build.
Yes it is situational. That's why I didn't understand some reactions...
Anyway, welcome to smitefire.
Thank for your kindness, dude.