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Should we really compare his kit to a mage's? He wasn't made for bursting down enemies, he was made to apply CC to make a team's job easier.

Okay, then we can easily compare his abilities to a tank. I already did this, but I'll reiterate: Bacchus' CC is weak, not just compared to mages, but to tanks, due to them being unreliable, unconditional, and in the case of his ultimate, not very effective.

Cabrakan.

He can stun a single target for 1 second, has a conical 1.5 second stun, a unreliable but still present wall, and a circular pull/screen shaking around him. He also has decent mobility, innate tankiness, and high damage for a tank.

Bacchus has a 1 second AoE knockup, a conical 1 second stun (with a massive delay and interruptable period, AND a condition), and his ultimate.

Cabrakan has literally 4 CC abilities in his kit, but the difference is that none of his CC has a delay, he doesn't have a massive mana sink, and his screen shaking is actually way more effective than Bacchus's. Cabrakan beats Bacchus.

Who else. Geb?

Geb has a conical knockup that's anywhere from 1 to 0.5 seconds, a massive knockback, albeit conditional, a cleanseing shield, and a massive AoE stun. Also, he has better mobility, utility, and none of his effects need a condition or have a significant delay. Geb beats Bacchus.

Who else. Athena?

Athena has a 2 second conical taunt with no delay, as well as a minor but long slow, for her CC. Note that the combined CC duration of Bacchus, excluding his ultimate, matches Athena's 2 second taunt. But instead of a CC ultimate, Athena has a global teleport. Athena beats Bacchus, since everyone knows she's top tier ATM.

Who else?

Even if you disagree about how effective his ultimate is (I think it's about as effective as rank 1 Weakening Curse with a 15% slow and a 20% attack speed debuff attached, aka not very effective), you can all agree that his basic kit has terrible CC compared to other tanks. Oh, and he also lacks a gimmick like a cleanse or teleport.

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You seem to hate the idea of supports "just being cc bots", but then only compare supports based on their cc.

In Baachus' section, you forgot:

a. 14% damage mitigation (passive)
b. A massive self protections buff with a 60% uptime
c. A minor but long slow on his 2
d. AE healing debuff

So that's..

14% damage mitigation, massive self protection buff with incredible uptime, minor but long slow, AE heal slasher, 1 second knockup, 1 second stun, and an intoxicate.

Doesn't seem so bad anymore, does it?

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Lmao sub harrassed me through pm, commented on my 0% win rate with Bacchus (1 game) in league con. Then made a reddit post like i asked him. Changed half of what I said and quoted one post. Telling people I said Bacchus op. Bruh 😂

You seriously cannot take it when you're wrong.

I mean the only valid point you have there is that is belch is interruptable. Still completely proving wrong that Bacchus has no good cc and he's a garbage god in a garbage tier.

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Was comparing CC in previous discussion, which was what I focused on. And having a constant DR and protections isn't worth the ridiculous mana drain.], IMO. Also, just because I hate the idea of supports being CC bots doesn't how they are, in fact, CC bots. Jeez.

Also, Cabra has 40 passive protections and gets his protections faster than Bacchus since you don't level your Chug first. He also has more CC in general. I'm tempted to put his passive on the list, but it sucks.

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Changed half of what you said? U wot m8?

Harassed? I believe you started calling me an idiot first.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/2ogbyo/bacchus_is_overpowered_and_why/

Don't take my word for it. See for yourself.

Seriously, Greenevers, act with some decorum. It's amazing how quickly you degenerate to name-calling and harassment when you're embarrassed and wrong.

Oh, and about that "only valid point," you seem to have missed how pretty much everyone agrees that Intoxicate is bad CC. And how his other issues make him suck.

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If you don't like reddit:

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Bacchus has one of the best knockups in the game on a short cooldown which can set up the most basic of combos.

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Intoxicate? Jeezus be our yeezus. One of the strongest types of CC that causes a team to scramble for a staggering 8 seconds. Most stuns don't last for more than 1.5 seconds excluding Ymir, Chang'e, and maybe a couple others idk. Using most abilities is useless as it is more as just wasting your mana.

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Bacchus' CC is stupid. You get one of the strongest knockups in the game, a HUGE stun, and his ultimate is just OP.

Intoxicate? Jeezus be our yeezus. One of the strongest types of CC that causes a team to scramble for a staggering 8 seconds. Most stuns don't last for more than 1.5 seconds excluding Ymir, Chang'e, and maybe a couple others idk. Using most abilities is useless as it is more as just wasting your mana.

lol, change over half of it?

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@dacoqrs
the damage mititgation on tanks in moba's has always been kind of a bloathed term, the idea stems from mmo's where the tank actually does get hit a lot because he is the one who is holding agro and the squishies don't end up getting hit, thus its good on them but in moba's the tanks dont get focused. in team fights they get largely ignored thus damage mitigation isn't that good on them esspesially since im smite being a tank means that you just dont die (most of the time).

i am thinking that you guys aren't understanding what his idea is behind this tierlist.

the trash and none trash works like this.

is trash when something in the none trash can do everything and more or more efficient.

is trash when they dont have niché's or if their niché is not good enough or if their niché can be fullfilled in some other way meaning they don't have something that is completely unique anymore.

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Really guys? Reddit posts?

Hey look, everyone in Green's post agrees with Green, and everyone in Sub's post agrees with Sub!

What a ****ing surprise. It's almost downright pathetic at this point.

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It's because you listed him as op which I never said.

People didn't say he was garbage they told you how he wasn't op and that his stun was interruptable. Your statement saying Bacchus has no good cc as I repeat is still completely wrong lmao

Dunno why you think I'm mad and embarrassed.

Edit:never called you an idiot first sub, pretty sure you went over the line first like you always have in the past. You take advantage of people discussing nicely with you in your arguments and expect people not to have some backbone.

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Literally what sub did:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/2ogg3e/is_bacchus_a_garbage_god/?sort=top

GG GET REKD WITH YOUR 0% WIN WITH BACCHUS IN LEAGUES IN ONE GAME. LOLOL SCRUB

I'm done with this thread lol

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