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LMAO WHAT?

Bacchus has one of the best knockups in the game on a short cooldown which can set up the most basic of combos. Not to mention it does a chunk of damage if Bacchus isn't going full tank. Bacchus' 3 isn't meant for damage. It's a utility skill packing in a healing debuff and sometimes a stun.

And intoxicate? Jeezus be our yeezus. One of the strongest types of CC that causes a team to scramble for a staggering 8 seconds. Most stuns don't last for more than 1.5 seconds excluding Ymir, Chang'e, and maybe a couple others idk. Using most abilities is useless as it is more as just wasting your mana and having escapes through abilities can be misleading as to where you are going.

Sub saying Bacchus has no good CC is completely inaccurate.

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Gotta agree with this.

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I have to agree that Bacchus is being underrated by some here.

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@green. Toast said that his 3 was for damage, i said it wasn't and gave the numbers why and i gave my reasons why it was a bad cc skill because everybody can interupt it.

Intoxicate may be working for 8 seconds but as a disorient it doesn't do enough disorienting and it doesn't take enough power away from the enemy team who are still able to use every skill and all of there actives.

I'd rather have a second or two to dump everything on an entire team that at best can beads out rather then having 8 seconds against a tesm who is still going to land a lot of aoe's and adc bullets that now fly around at semi random directions.

Baccus his ult would help a team capable of doing substained damage but there aren't enough gods that are good and do substained damage thus making it weak. It also allows the enemy team still complete disengagment options.

Belch of the gods is a bad skill. His most effective cc is belly flop.
Power creep has made intoxicate into a bad cc and baccus has nothing else he can forfill.

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Bacchus has a 1 second knockup that requires you to sacrifice an escape. Not only is knockup immunity depressingly common, but the knockup itself is short and has a rather small AoE, relatively speaking.

He also has a delayed 1 sec conical stun that is countered by every other tank or ADC or mage's hard CC. Or by simply using an escape. Oh, and if you don;t sink a ton of mana into it, it doesn't stun, either.

Both of these are not "good CC." They are bad CC. Most mages have better CC than this. Janus can make a better support than Bacchus, because their CC lasts longer than a second, is more reliable, and doesn't require burning an escape.

He also has a massive AoE debuff causes a mild shaking of the screen with a discoloration effect. All this really accomplishes is making it slightly harder to hit with ranged skillshots, along with erratic movement (basically a slow). These effects are in no way reliable, can be overcome with experience and skill, and ultimately only affects the ADC significantly. It's an annoyance, at best. I can't believe you people believe that Bacchus' ult is anything comparable to any of the other "hard CC entire enemy team" ultimates.

I already explained how its unreliable. I'm starting to wonder how you think its so debilitating in the first place. I've played Bacchus a fair amount, and his ultimate's debuff means nothing. I've used it against the entire enemy team, and they just hit with their skill-free skillshots as usual. It barely makes a difference, especially compared to stunning the entire enemy team. There's a reason why Bacchus isn't played much, ever. And a lot of it has to do with his lack of good CC.

"Bacchus has such good CC most basic of combos OMG so OP decreases potency yargh." Do you seriously think that Bacchus is anything more than a weaker Cabrakan at this point? Both have innate protections, both have delayed, conditional CC. Both have this screen shaking effect. The difference is that Cabra's CC lasts longer than a second and can spam that mild annoyance until it gets effective (oh, and the shaking effect is stronger, too), on top of requiring less than a bajillion mana in-lane.

I'll end with this: If you think Bacchus' ultimate significantly hampers with hitting with things in this game, you're either really bad, like to play champions like Ares and Artemis, or are lying.

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"best knockup" one second knockup is totes the best

"basic of combos" OMG 1-4-3 WOMBO COMBO GIVE THIS GUY A MEDAL SUCH GENIUS

"chunk of damage" Athena deals more damage. So do more and more tanks.

"not used for damage" Who said his 3 was meant for damage? u wot m8?

"utility healing debuff" literally the only utility it has is a 25% heal debuff. OMG 25% IS SO MUCH THIS MAKES HIM MLG TOP TIER WOOP

Also, if you think his intoxicate is effective, you're wrong. "using most abilities is useless?" "one of the strongest types of CC?" You're either in denial, exaggerating to a ridiculous extent, like to play worthless gods, or are lying. Or ignorant, I suppose.

Seriously, "most abilities are useless." Just....what. How am I supposed to respond to this? This is like someone saying the sky is green, or that water freezes at 100 Celsius. It's just blatantly wrong.

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I didn't type that out for you to respond to me. I pointed out the obvious which you still don't understand. That in which itself is understandable. If you can see, some people agree with me. Like I responded to your PM, try sharing these ideas on the smite subreddit. I'm honestly curious to see what people will say.

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Both of these are not "good CC." They are bad CC. Most mages have better CC than this. Janus can make a better support than Bacchus, because their CC lasts longer than a second, is more reliable, and doesn't require burning an escape.

Should we really compare his kit to a mage's? He wasn't made for bursting down enemies, he was made to apply CC to make a team's job easier.

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