GGF and Taco have played regularly. However, Zilby and Prism haven't played much over the past couple of months. I've been splitting my time with a variety of other games, and have only played 10 PC matches over the past 2 weeks, none of them being Conquest. Excuses, though.
This was a fun game. Our lineup was:
- GGF:
Ganesha Support - Me:
Medusa ADC - Zilby:
Scylla Mid - Prism:
Athena Jungle - Taco:
Sun Wukong Solo
Loki, Athena, 
Hades, 
Geb, and 
Rama.Initial thought was to sort of talk about gameplay, builds and whatnot, but with a full group of 5, we got sidetracked. Oops. I've now added comments here about thoughts on all builds.
Critiquing BuildsEnemy Team
- Loki:
Deathbringer is somewhat ****...it CAN work because the high power is nice, but with only 1 crit, it's not a reliable proc. Would suggest either 
Shifter's Shield, 
Brawler's Beat Stick, 
The Crusher, or maybe 
Heartseeker in its place. Not that he didn't still have his way with me. The rest of his build, including the order, was great.
- Athena: Jungle version...obviously 2 starters.
Polynomicon is perhaps an interesting choice, but it can work. I think a physical protection item would be a better option there, maybe 
Breastplate of Valor since she doesn't have any CDR in the rest of her build. Also would consider 
Ethereal Staff as a possible replacement for 
Soul Reaver, due to the extra health (she has no added health in her items). She did fine, of course, and Geb shielded her when she needed it, but still think those possible changes could work well.
- Hades: No complaints there. Solid build in my estimation.
- Geb: Very, very tanky, with tons of auras and high health. 900 added health, geez. That said, I think he probably didn't need
Pestilence all that much. If Taco was 
Hercules or 
Chaac instead of SWK, or we had another strong self-healer, that would have been a better choice. As it stands, I'd have gotten a bit more CDR for more shields.
- Rama: Damn...I should have been more aggressive. That build is very weak...2 items in a row with no power. There's a reason I did over double his damage. Also weird to throw Shifter's Shield in his build at that point of the match. Also, I'd prefer crit for Rama over
Qin's Sais.
- Prism's Athena: against 3 magical/2 phys,
Mystical Mail in the 2nd slot is too expensive. 
Void Stone, which he got 3rd, would have been a better option there. I'd consider phys protection 3rd or perhaps even later. Also, a bit of CDR would have been good.
- My Medusa: There wasn't all that much protection being built. That's one of the reasons why I felt
Hastened Fatalis in the 4th slot would be good. If the team was tankier, I would have just gone into 
The Executioner and delayed Fatalis to 6th.
- Taco's Sun Wukong: Take a look, ladies and gents. SWK isn't considered all that strong right now. Taco can be effective with practically anyone. Note that he doesn't have any penetration, and his only major offensive item is Shifter's Shield...and he still does high damage, tanks a ton, etc.
- Zilby's Scylla: As heard in the video, he sort of screwed up the build early. He was reverting to old S3 when
Chronos' Pendant was cheap and worth it early. 
Obsidian Shard immediately after 
Bancroft's Talon could also have been switched. Zilby, what the heck was going on with your build, anyway? When did you pick up that Warlock's Sash?
- GGF's Ganesha: 2 starters, then shoes, auras, and finally Mystical Mail and
Shogun's Kusari. Mystical Mail is a very questionable choice in my opinion for most gods, and especially late-game. Very little added damage overall. Better choice, in my opinion, would have been Breastplate of Valor for the high CDR, or at least 
Spirit Robe. Shogun's Kusari could have also been built earlier (or not at all...the only real basic attacker was me).
Anyway, we almost won at the 24:30 point of the match...but didn't focus it in a timely manner and that, in the end, spelled our doom, as they slowly made a push back.
I didn't do all that well, but that's pretty much expected. Although I had top damage on my team (barely), and went 12/8/3, I also died too much. A better model for a good score would be Taco's 7/2/11.
In any case, check it out if you'd like.
Also, here are my critiques of my own game. Times given are time of the video, NOT the time in the match.
Observations- Time 0 - I need to customize this ****. I think I had my custom build options all done before for multiple gods, but...did it get reset by HR?
- 1:40 - So they were able to outclear us first wave. Don't think there was much we could do about that. I guess, if I built
Bluestone Pendant, it might have helped a bit. As it was, they were able to get the smaller minions from our Purple camp. Could have wasted less time peeking around the corner, and gotten a couple quick hits in on the next wave.
- 1:55 - GGF just...absolutely missed his wave clear ability. This is the entire reason we lost the match. (hi GGF)
- 2:20-2:55 - In Japan, they call it Bachi...basically bad karma. That was for me picking on GGF, which I only do because I know he won't get mad and he's a good sport. Minor issue, but just pointing it out...I missed my
Acid Spray, which was meant more for the poke on Rama than minion damage. This carried over into a late Spray on the next wave, which again allowed them to outclear us and go for the Damage camp. Rather than waste my time yet again, I went back to lane to get a temporary advantage.
- 2:55 - 3:10 - Prism died here. Now...here's another situation...a few things happened here. 1) 2 enemies pushing in Mid, and Prism had just left Zilby to go for the right mid camp. Zilby had to retreat as it was 2 on 1, and Prism was caught out...his retreat took him right into the 2 enemies going for our Damage buff. He probably would have been better going straight through the 2 mid-enemies and hoping for enough protection under our mid tower. 2) My presence in lane meant I wasn't close enough to contribute to what turned into an early teamfight. That was a bad direction meeting up with 4 enemies, so I'm not sure I would have been able to help out or not, but I probably should have been there regardless...at the time I made my decision to go back to lane, it wasn't the nasty business it turned into yet.
- 3:15 - That could have gone a lot worse for me. I saw there were 3 enemies and a retreating GGF bringing them back into lane...in the end, I got out unscathed, but I could have easily been caught. Need to react more quickly and just make up my mind rather than sit for an extra second or two doing nothing.
- 4:10 - Holy **** that Geb
Roll Out goes on forever. Also missed another Acid Spray in the next minion sequence...I mean, c'mon HR, it's just a couple of pixels.
- 5:10-5:40 - Geb got overzealous...got my first kill there, and almost got Rama down...he ulted, so I thought he'd have to retreat once he came back down, so I got behind him to catch him after he'd roll...but wayyy too far behind him. He ended up aggressing on GGF, then Athena ulted in, spelling the death of GGF. And, being too far up, I ended up not even getting a kill on Rama... Athena bodyblocked really well. I tried for a last Acid Spray hit to finish him but wasn't able to do so...had to retreat there. End result...ended up 1-1 in that exchange, when it could have easily been 2-0 if I had anticipated and positioned better.
- 6:00 - A lot of times I prefer
Ninja Tabi first, so I don't have to change out later (and so I can get more hits in in the same time for 
Death's Toll's sustain), and Devo's provides plenty of power once it's stacked. In this case, I was struggling with clear, so I went 
Warrior Tabi. Got a couple of 
Wards since I was worried about invades. *NOTE* ADCS SHOULD GET THEIR OWN WARDS.
- 7:05 - After clearing the wave with no enemy pressure/presence, I considered (not well), and pushed up with the wave to get a few hits on the tower. Bad move. Almost saved myself with a double-stone ult and some juking, but it wasn't enough in the end.
- 7:50 - Was checking out Z's build instead of getting my stuff while waiting to respawn...lost some stupid seconds here. Oops.
- 8:25 - Checked to make sure enemies weren't around...teammates confirmed this time. Learning, I guess.
- 8:40 - Except not. I took an aggressive path through the jungle, got jumped by 3, and paid for it. I had been going to participate in the mid fight, and with Taco getting a kill, thought it would be safe enough. Should always err on the side of conservative if I'm not sure of us going for kills.
- 10:00 - GGF lagged out of the game. Had to be more careful from this point forward. Note also I still have 1 ward from my original purchase 4 minutes prior...if anytime is a prime time to put one down, it's then.
- 10:30-11:05 - this ended up being wasted time...had good intentions though. With no pressure in lane but no intention of getting caught too far up again, you shouldn't just sit doing nothing. So I went to check Damage camp (not there), thought about backing to complete
Devourer's Gauntlet but didn't quite have enough. Instead, checked Mid camp (not there), then the next wave was there so went back to lane.
- 11:45 - Not sure if I should have contested Mid camp with Prism, but also needed to get back to lane.
- 12:00 - Wasn't comfortable with how the boxing was going, so was in a defensive mindset...completely blanked on pushing in when Prism ulted me.
- 12:25 - ...and then blanked again when the enemy Athena ulted on Rama, and she just demolished me. 1/3/0 at this point.
- 13:50 - After Hades retreated, a couple of minions were still there...so I went to finish them. Should have just followed my team, so I was late to the teamfight. Let's see...ineffective (bad timing) ult, missed all 3
Viper Shots, missed Acid Spray...stayed too far back. Waaaay too defensive there, especially since I had basically full health. Don't think it would have made a huge difference, but that's not the point.
- 14:55 - Knew at this point that enemies had backed, so going for the Gold Fury was relatively safe. Still took a long time and I knew I'd have to tank some.
- 16:05 - After backing and going back to lane, I should have dropped a Ward or two...
- 16:30 - In making my way to the teamfight in the left Jungle, moved to clear the mid wave. Knew everyone was tied up in other areas, so went to get a few hits on the Mid tower, then had to retreat into the jungle as multiple enemies were behind me going toward Mid. By 16:55 I'd finally dropped an offensive ward for my lane.
- 17:05 - Got a good wave clear and good timing, backing before enemies got to me and giving myself some extra time for my lane.
- 19:35 - Defensive ult to protect Taco, but was unnecessary. 19:55 was a glorious Damage buff secure...didn't they know that's OUR BUFF? But...after retreating a bit, ended up going back to take it once I thought they left...did NOT expect them to all fall in. 1/4/0. *Sigh*
- 22:00-22:50 - Decent sequence...tower kill, GGF-assisted kill, and teamfight, but still playing a bit too passive. 2/4/0.
- 24:05 25:00 - Great teamfight sequence. Mid-tower down, 3 kills (1 by Taco, 2 by me), Tier 2 mid-tower down. At that point, I thought we'd go for the right tower, and headed that way as Taco made the call, but people were going for the phoenix, so I turned around. Phoenix kill, then Prism kill, then another by me (5/4/2). Thought after THAT point we'd go for the right tower (and headed that way again!) but we ended up going for the Titan. Now, I can't tell, due to my 2 delays, if we could have won then if we'd been a bit faster...but we were in full retreat after Zilby died. Personally, I would have gone for the towers...but not sure that would have been the right call. In the end, I'm guessing mid phoenix then right tower would have been best.
- 26:55 - Got another good kill on Rama who was trying to steal the Gold Fury. 6/4/2. Then completely ignored the incoming Athena signal while attacking Hades and got blown up. How is that not obvious enough for me? 6/5/2.
- 29:15-30:10 - Another teamfight. Not sure why the F I was retreating so far back...I should have been up in there. In the end I got another couple of kills...8/5/3.
- 30:55 - Tried taking the Portal Demon by myself and died for it. 8/6/3.
- 32:25 - Teamfight breaking out on the left, and I was clearing mid-lane to push our minions forward and keep the pressure up...but I should have been heading to teammates.
- 32:40-33:05 - Get to the fight, burn my ult somewhat ineffectively...for being at full health, I should have been much more in the fight, but I was playing too scared and staying on the perimeter. Got another couple of kills...10/6/3.
- 34:05 - F Loki. Again. My fault...I was alone again...should be sticking with teammates at that point.
- 37:30 - Should have put a ward deeper in the jungle...that was a warding place for early game with T1 towers up...those were long gone. Wasn't really thinking, other than just using wards as I hadn't used them most of the game.
- 37:50 - Loki yet again. 11/8/3.
- 39:15 - At our Titan after respawning...got another kill, but it was a sacrifice so their teammates could finish the game. Bleh.
Getting an early upgrade on bracers could have helped you out a lot vs Loki.
And also if you go DT (Bluestone is better which you and Duotem mentioned) I would recommend going tier 1 Ichival and 1 pot to start with. Then as Medusa I would finish it before boots and get the healing chalice, due to her passive, but boots would be fine as well. And just play balls to the walls aggressive, but not easy with a DCd sup and from behind.
Playing super aggressive makes up for being bad, not saying you are bad but aggression will force out missplays from your enemy and it will hide your missplays. As long as you keep an eye on thr map of course!
It is also really fun to play that way xD
On my way to sleep now, but I will watch it tomorrow.
Btw got any tips for recording software?
I used to use OBS, but when I wanted to stream here the other day. It wouldn't record Smite in gamecapture... so I couldn't be arsed to try and fix it :p
And if I need to make any edits, cut a game from a longer recording, etc., I use Windows Movie Maker. Nothing fancy.
if you are to late to rotate (especially early game) it's just better to push and get tower damage. otherwise you're just wasting your time/gold/exp
FYI, I know Trans is better for her early game, but I personally prefer the Devo/crit + Fatalis build...and so I'm using the build YOU worked on with me XD...you gave me 2...a Fatalis rush, and a late-game Fatalis, and I just used the rush version...mainly because I wanted the extra movespeed...makes me feel safer. I know the power curve when getting it early is ****. Granted, you're also right, I should have focused on lane enemy and gotten
And I'll probably just start using
Well dammit...those are all observations I'd have a really hard time recognizing in-game. Are you saying I should quit SMITE and play Shuffleboard instead?
Everybody should get their own wards.
@Gulf, generally that's the idea. Also, in my build orders, I've defaulted to what Duotem's told me about power curves...basically, that Devo's 2nd gives a better overall curve than
Part of the point of getting
But what Ricu's talking about here is a very specific, individual 1 v 1 match. And he's probably right...if I got
What I trade is higher sustain. Meaning, if I got the kill, I'd probably have to back because my health would be low. But is that tradeoff okay? Probably. Up 300+ gold,
One thing we don't take into account here is the teammate variable. Devo's 2nd is great if I get good support to help secure a kill, thus not needing the extra damage from Ich as much. And in the reverse, if I'm pressured by 2 in lane and have to retreat, I might still take some damage, and with
Always positives and negatives. But maybe I'll try Ich 2nd just to see how it feels to me.
I would mostly argue if you get a stacking item and the laning phase is so short as in this game nowadays. Get it as first item like we used too in season 1. this means you will have it stacked quicker because your in lane for a long time. You will trade for some speed however when you play safe the early loss of power and movement speed will pay of faster then getting it later.
it may be because I haven't played smite for a while and mostly LoL. However I feel that the cheap boots are sometimes overestimated a lot (even in LoL. Getting brown boots quickly is common, but upgrading them isn't. however stats on boots there aren't that high in most cases (and boots are cheaper overall)). The only role that really does need to rush them is the jungle for better farming and gankin efficiency. Other roles can delay them as second item I feel (I'm not including the starters here however with 2-3 starters you may see a 2nd starter as first item).
BRAN, THERE WERE SO MANY TIMES I WAIT FOR YOU TO ENGAGE SO WE COULD KILL THEM AND YOU JUST TURNED AWAY AND RETREATED, WHILE YOU WERE FULL HEALTH AND THEY HAD LIKE 60%
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So you're saying I didn't slam myself enough in my observations that you need to emphasize more? My bad. Maybe next time I will talk about possibly committing suicide because I'm so horrible.
LOL
If you want to read my notes as you watch (if you even want to watch in the first place, lol), suggest a split screen view.
So...I didn't note everything, but those are some of the major points I saw. I got lazy halfway through, but going back and watching your own gameplay can help. If you can spot these kinds of things and learn from them, it can definitely improve your game. I need to play more.
some points to add:
WARDS people, I believe only bran used them and he didn't use a lot of them anyway. the minimap was pretty "dark". that's why sometimes you guys got caught so easily assuming they did have stuff warded far better.
Also going for the titan was a risky call it could have worked, however it ended up in overstaying. Only if you could keep them killed, which is damn hard near fountain, it would have worked better. Going phoenix in tower was the safer option. you guys took the risk and it didn't pay out this time.
Also nice you mention the rewatching your own gameplay/replay it can indeed help you improve. and if that doesn't help ask someone else if they can spot mistakes you may have missed.
It's just one of those things that isn't on my mind unless I'm used to doing it frequently.
Old age, probably.
just a question are you allowed to place 2 wards total or 2 normal and 1 sentry?
In LoL the sightstone upgrade is delayed a lot of times because you normally place 3 wards (max of normal wards at a time) and the control ward (aka the 4 hp visible ward that blocks and reveals normal wards and reveals stealth (not invisibility).
I would almost say you could refrain from warding.
also a note normal wards can't be bought in LoL anymore you do have a ward trinket which regens them and keeps 2 charges.
I might be able to join next time tho
Our OG group was definitely a bit bigger... Stuke, you and Jaben also qualify but I can't remember the last time we had a 5 man. Mostly it's been GGF taco and me lately.