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From what I saw practicing, the problem is not a numbers issue or a kit issue, it's what seems to be a bug or an overlooked thing:

Clay Warriors interaction with her new 3.

When you have 3 soldiers, and toss your 3 through it, it explodes ALL 3 warriors, PLUS still hits the opponent. I'd assume it should disappear after the first eruption, doing it's normal damage, but doing basically 4x damage to everyone is ridiculous and probably not intentioned. It can almost one shot.

It's giving her burst that isn't normal.

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Yeah, when I said her ult is not the worst part of her kit, this is what I was thinking when I was thinking about the worst part.

Her damage is insane when all 3 soldiers get hit by her 3. And on top of that, the enemy gets stunned, allowing more hits on the target, which if timed right, she could root the enemy directly after the stun is over for another 1.5 seconds, so unless that enemy is a guardian, there's a very good chance that enemy will be dead by the end of all that. Plus, with a full CDR build, the cool down for the clay soldiers is 10.8 seconds, while the cool down for shining metal is 4.8 seconds, effectively giving her an insane nuke every roughly 11 seconds, while also allowing her to throw out another free metal in between that time. Let's also remember that the clay soliders bum rush the **** out of a target if they're close enough.

Point being: New Wa is way too powerful.

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I say just make the shard disappear when colliding with a clay soldier, creating one explosion.

Hitting every target instead of your main target is still an upgrade, so it's not a BAD thing to hit the soldiers, but this way it doesn't proc multiple times.

Bam. She's decent.

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That's a good change.

Her Fog needs to be reverted, I say. It's pretty much a boring skillshot, and the utility aspect of it has been pretty much reduced to nothing.

Her ult just needs a rework. I'm sick of clones from LoL. If you're going to copypasta a Karthus ult, do something other than slap on CC immunity and an escape onto it.

Also, funny thing, you can still hit her with grounded effects while she's ulted. She's not untergetable or anything - I once killed her with a Batz ult that way.

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She's annoying when you're whole team is low.

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Maybe eliminating the teleport effect would help?
Using New Wa I pretty much just tried to get my soldiers close enough to teleport to a god, then one and a few basic attacks later, it was all over.

As for her ult... It's a great opener and a great finisher. I think, depending on your build and the enemy granted, it should take away around 30% health. I haven't done the math, so.
I do agree about the skill shot part, it's just too easy to land.

While typing this, I'm in a match as Tyr. Early game she basically did 300 damage to me regardless of stance. Late game? Around 600. However I took little damage as Freya under the same circumstances, so it may not be anything.

Also, playing as her, she basically has 0 mana problems. I can go against another mage and force him to retreat thrice and still have half mana at the end of it.
She trumps Zeus by a long shot, if you thought he was OP.

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I also like the new kit because NU WA JUNGLE BABEH!

She could jungle just fine before if you knew what you were doing... not to mention her old Fog made it almost impossible to see her ganks coming unless there were lots of wards set up. I used to jungle with her more than I solo/mid laned with her, and I carried a good number of games like that.

From what I can tell, I'm seeing a lot of potential conspiracies as to why Nu Wa was murdered.

-High winrate. I find this claim very dubious, as she had not been changed for a long time and only suddenly, people figured out how to win with her through split-pushing and backdooring... a strategy that other gods like and had already been employing for a very long time without being completely reworked, and even can solo towers by just popping her ultimate to tank them. I'll have you know I've played really ****ty games as where I still won through backdooring, should we rework him too? Maybe just to make him a more viable assassin, but there's nothing wrong with him being able to backdoor.
Then there's the question of how many people actually used Nu Wa when she was winning a lot? Often, gods that win the most according to statistics don't get played nearly as often as the most common picks. You know how they say if you ever see a in ranked he is probably the best player there is? Similar logic could've been at work here.

-Kit complexity. There is some merit to this, but it still seems like a really dumb idea to completely trash a kit just because it's too difficult for novices to wrap their heads around. But I guess some people just can't stand the idea of actually having to get good with a god rather than just having someone like who requires almost no skill to play... Honestly, I feel such a design choice is toxic in general because it's disproportionately rewarding less skill with just as much if not more than someone that requires a lot of practice and understanding.

There's more, but I'm gonna leave it at this.

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-Kit complexity. There is some merit to this, but it still seems like a really dumb idea to completely trash a kit just because it's too difficult for novices to wrap their heads around. But I guess some people just can't stand the idea of actually having to get good with a god rather than just having someone like who requires almost no skill to play... Honestly, I feel such a design choice is toxic in general because it's disproportionately rewarding less skill with just as much if not more than someone that requires a lot of practice and understanding.

There's more, but I'm gonna leave it at this.

I kinda disagree with this part. I've seen novices suck at but be decent at , so it really depends on the person.

Though I do agree on this, I thought she was easy before, but now it seems a little ridiculous. Pretty much every "New Wa" I've seen in a game comes out on top. It's easy to kill her if you get close with a move like or since she is so squishy, but even then if she has and at her ready she can actually go from 100 health and you being at full to half health and you being dead (Or just you being dead).

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I kinda disagree with this part. I've seen novices suck at but be decent at , so it really depends on the person.

I was talking in general--believe me, I've seen people make figuring out the most easy-mode gods seem like rocket science and fail miserably, but they were probably awful players to begin with.

In any case, I used as an example because she is a very noob-friendly god that pays off way too much. Large hitbox on , not one but TWO dashes on her , and a targeted ultimate that cannot ever miss. She's even got a shield to protect her from the most dangerous attacks should her opponent ever get a chance to fight back. Everything about her kit is very lenient compared to most other assassins.

EDIT: Also, I'd like it if people refrained from calling this remake Nu Wa. She's a sham, a mockery of what was originally a well-balanced god. New Wa or Not Wa are both acceptable names for the remake. Any time I see Nu Wa, I will only assume people are talking about the goddess HiRez murdered.

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TL;DR of entire Smitefire: Bring back old Nu Wa.

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