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Choose a Build: Mid lane and support lane.

Mid lane and support lane. Alternative builds

Tap Mouse over an item or ability icon for detailed info

Baron Samedi Build

Mid lane starter

Notes After you start this and get gold, get wards if you can.

Mage's Blessing

Shoes

Baron's Brew

Mid lane core

Notes Mp5 to tick damage for the ultimate

Shoes of Focus

Book of Thoth

Spear of the Magus

Mid lane full build

Notes Shamans ring has been removed, so it has been replaced. Pythagoras can be switched with soul gem.

Shoes of Focus

Book of Thoth

Spear of the Magus

Charon's Coin

Pythagorem's Piece

Rod of Tahuti

Alternative damage items

Notes All alternatives for mid build

Chronos' Pendant

Soul Gem

Book of the Dead

Gem of Isolation

Obsidian Shard

Soul Reaver

Ethereal Staff

Spear of Desolation

Staff of Myrddin

Ring of Hecate

Alternative hybrid/defence items

Notes All hybrid and defence items, tyrannical helm is a great choice.

Pestilence

Lotus Sickle

Breastplate of Valor

Genji's Guard

Mantle of Discord

Hide of the Urchin

Magi's Cloak

Contagion

Tyrannical Plate Helm

Support starter

Guardian's Blessing

Shoes

Baron's Brew

Support core

Notes Tanky support start

Shoes of Focus

Sovereignty

Stone of Binding

Support full build

Notes Tankyness into hybrid. Any hybrid can be changed.

Shoes of Focus

Sovereignty

Stone of Binding

Lotus Sickle

Pythagorem's Piece

Gem of Isolation

Hybrid defence/health alternatives

Notes Same note as mid defence items, read that.

Breastplate of Regrowth

Celestial Legion Helm

Pestilence

Heartward Amulet

Ethereal Staff

Void Stone

Tyrannical Plate Helm

Defence alternatives

Mantle of Discord

Spirit Robe

Shogun's Kusari

Oni Hunter's Garb

Celestial Legion Helm

Mystical Mail

Midgardian Mail

Genji's Guard

Breastplate of Valor

Solo starter

Notes Starter can be switched with guardians blessing.

Warrior's Blessing

Shoes

Baron's Brew

Mana Potion

Solo build

Notes Void stone can be switched with tyrannical helm or gem of isolation. Build may vary.

Shoes of the Magi

Breastplate of Valor

Tyrannical Plate Helm

Ethereal Staff

Spirit Robe

Gem of Isolation

Solo build(against magical)

Notes Bancrofts talon can be switched for any alternative.

Bancroft's Talon

Shoes of Focus

Genji's Guard

Gem of Isolation

Mantle of Discord

Void Stone

Alternatives

Celestial Legion Helm

Contagion

Hide of the Nemean Lion

Pestilence

Sovereignty

Pythagorem's Piece

Heartward Amulet

Spear of the Magus

Soul Gem

Magi's Cloak

Relics

Aegis Amulet

Cloak of Meditation

Blink Rune

Purification Beads

Teleport Fragment

Magic Shell

Baron Samedi's Skill Order

Vivid Gaze

1 X

Consign Spirits

2 A

2 4

Wrap It Up

3 B

Life of the Party

4 Y

Baron Samedi Threats

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Max

Major

Even

Minor

Tiny

Baron Samedi Build

Mid lane build 1

Shoes of Focus

Book of Thoth

Spear of the Magus

Chronos' Pendant

Soul Gem

Gem of Isolation

Mid build 2

Notes

Shoes of Focus

Book of Thoth

Spear of the Magus

Ring of Hecate

Doom Orb

Spear of Desolation

Mid build 3

Shoes of Focus

Book of Thoth

Spear of the Magus

Soul Gem

Charon's Coin

Mantle of Discord

Support build 1

Shoes of Focus

Sovereignty

Stone of Binding

Tyrannical Plate Helm

Gem of Isolation

Void Stone

Support build 2

Shoes of Focus

Sovereignty

Stone of Binding

Void Stone

Rod of Asclepius

Mantle of Discord

Solo build 1

Shoes of the Magi

Breastplate of Valor

Tyrannical Plate Helm

Void Stone

Gem of Isolation

Soul Gem

Solo build 2

Shoes of the Magi

Breastplate of Valor

Void Stone

Ethereal Staff

Pythagorem's Piece

Mantle of Discord

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(46) |

I don't think spear of the magus is good on him, maybe for his ult only

Tyrannical helmet isn't worth the price and mystical mail isn't a support item.

Also, just for looks, you should separate mid and support builds.

(143) |

If for some masochistic reason you were playing Baron for Mid, I would build: , , , , Charon’s Coin / , and last 2 items choose from , , , , .

(46) |

Oh yea right I forgot the most important one lol, don't play Baron in mid

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(3) |

Yeah, I am hoping to update the entire guide and builds, I do still play him in mid lol, but solo is first choice.

(81) |

I wouldn't get or on him either.

(3) |

Need some help with revisions in the guide.

(401) |

So with losing flat pen, seems the obvious choice.

2nd item options seem a bit open. Suggested options could include , , (against phys Mid + phys Jung perhaps), (early flat pen function), (anti-heal), or .

After your 2nd item, things open up more. You can choose others from that list of 2nd item options...if you got some flat pen in that 2nd item, you might consider (it's use is a bit more questionable now, but I think it should still work fairly well for Baron).

As the game progresses, I think is a very strong late-game item now with the added % pen. You can also consider (even as lone lifesteal maybe?), but would probably pass on it if the enemy built any of the stronger anti-heal items (e.g. or ) or have anti-heal in their kits (, , , etc.). Other late item options include , , , , and . And of course you can opt for the defensive..., , or .

You'll have to figure out how you want to order, though.

(81) |

I would, but it's been so long since I've really studied mage items that I wouldn't know where to start. I'm going to wait until Season 7 lands before I start looking at the items again.

(105) |

I am assuming the revisions are going to be aimed at the new season?

(3) |

Yes, the new season is changing this entire build so I want the builds and guide to be revised

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(46) |

Let's start by you telling us a general, all purpose build followed by why you would build those items. then we can further advise you and tell you why you're wrong/right to build that way.

(3) |

The thing that changes the builds are shoes of magi and shamans ring removal. Everything else is in the written guide that I need to revise alot of, but that I will do on my own

(46) |

I assume this update is valid until the mage items get a rework. But why did you choose Pythagoras instead of soul gem? Just curious.

(3) |

It gives more health and supports the entire team, I should've added in the notes to say that soul gem is an alternative to that and is much better, but I like going the support route for this.

(3) |

Anythinng else I need to add? Leave a reply to this comment!

(143) |

Well listening to the advice on my previous comment would be a start, especially since you specifically asked me to do it then ignored the advice.

(3) |

Y u being an *** about it though?

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(143) |

He asked me for advice, and then done nothing to change the previous builds except add a new one. That’s not me being an ***, that is myself being taken for a chump.

(3) |

You’re acting like a chump right now so you yourself are being a chump hence why you’re being taken for a chump

(143) |

I know that.

(1) |

Kiss and makeup guys

(3) |

Oh you mean adding a solo build and remove the mid? I still think baron is very viable in mid and I am positive that all of these builds work in their best form and I have no trouble with book of thoth, I am still open anything to be added...not changed

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(143) |

“I need some opinions on some of my builds and guides on them, I just updated my baron samedi guide and would like your opinion on it. ” - Then I gave advice in a comment below, including what would be a suitable Mid build for Baron if you decided to still list a Mid build, so don’t act like I only said “Remove the Mid build”. I have brought this down on myself though because I promised myself I wouldn’t give advice on your builds again, then after you specifically asked me to do it I thought you changed your ways of thinking, but nope.

(3) |

Yes I know, I am not acting like that was the only thing you said, I just think that all of that has been fixed and actually used in multiple conquest games and I think they are fine.

(4) |

Well, the guide needs some work my friend...
It has too many colors. For me, it's very hard to read the solo and mid lane part, and that's a big problem. I'd suggest light colors, such as this one (ecb85d) and this one (b47ded), which are smooth colors that help people read the guide more pleasantly.

Also, you aren't naming the passive at all. You do say, in the description, that the passive is applied by all of his abilities. That is correct, but you should explain 's passive since is his most hard to understand ability.

Kriega mostly brought everything i was going to suggest for the builds, so that's all. :) ♥

(3) |

Thank you for the suggestion! Last night I had a hard time with reading that stuff as well and I honestly wasnt thinking about that when I first made it and the passive explanation will be added today.

(143) |

Mid:

Starter: This needs to be changed. Baron has one of the worst early mid clears in the game, if not the worst. The tier 1 shoes need to changed to something else, either or preferably, - but this comes in later in regards to builds.

The Example Build: Overall, it's not an awful build per say, but you're building without much reason for it, it's not like you're building or/and to make the best use out of Thoth. is an item im unsure about since the change, it doesen't give mobility any more, and really needs to be stacked to get a good damage purpose. is a decent item choice on Baron, but this build is missing on lategame damage a bit, especially to tanks so it's not a priority over other items like and . - decent item on Baron, works nice with his heal under the health threshold.

My suggested example build on : > > > > > > sell lategame for (or ), sell ultralategame for (or ). Why sell Magus that late? Because by that point with this build you can already decimate squishies, but it having that Reaver/Obs Shard/E-Staff combo will hurt those tanky frontliners lategame.

An example of this build in the very lategame: https://smite.guru/match/961685056

If don't need you can just go: > > > > > ok now here you can pickup - gives you decent protections combined with the health stealing from a lategame, otherwise get > Sell lategame for or something like etc...

And of course with a different suggested example build, needs a different starter, to which I suggest: , and . Obviously you still get boots first for the build, it's just your clear is improved getting .

Onto your damage item suggestions, most are fine, but is a bit eh... Baron still has a DoT on his 3, so he can still make decent use of the item, but it's more expensive than and E-Staff will give Baron much more survivability in fights.

And may I make it clear that the build examples I gave are not something to use every match, just generic builds that should (usually) do the job, I gave 1 example with anti-heal and 1 example without.

If you want another reference (which is similar to the second build example I gave), look at the build used here by PrettyPriMe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qU4-9IgWgM

Support:

Your example build only has 20% CDR, and no which you should really be building. Your starter also needs extra pots, I suggest , , , 3 x s.

All I can say here is use my support builds section from here as a reference: https://www.smitefire.com/smite/guide/baron-samedi-conquest-mid-solo-support-6-9-20292

(click on the pages tab > go to Page 3 (Support).)

Solo:

You don't have a solo build so I can't say anything except use my Solo build examples as a reference and the builds on this page:

https://smiteprobuilds.com/Builds?p_filters_page=1&p_filters_search=&p_filters_god=3518&p_filters_pro=~&p_filters_opponent=~&p_filters_role=Support&p_filters_league=~&p_filters_sort=~

(One more thing, look at differences in the relic choices I list for Baron Mid, and for Baron Support. I hope you realise why there ARE differences, and I don't recommend Thorns generally on Baron, not even in tanky roles - solo or support).

(3) |

Thank you for everything! I will be fixing all of this later today and I will be adding the solo build to this guide.

My thoughts on the support, I was thinking either [shoes of focus],[sovereignty], [gauntlet of thebes], [lotus crown], [pythagorem's piece] [gem of isolation]. OR [shoes of focus], [gauntlet of thebes], [lotus crown], [sovereignty], [ethereal staff], [pythagorem's piece]. The last 2 can be switched as well.

(81) |

Luka, you need to use double brackets for items to show up with the fancy hyperlinks:

Code:

[[shoes of focus]]

shows:

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(3) |

So thatsssss why I couldn't figure it out

(143) |

Gem of iso isn’t that good on Baron because his only DoT ability other than his ult is his 3, which leads into a root anyway, so I don’t see the point in getting it for the slow. E-Staff is a better bruiser option for Baron especially lategame due to how much health you can steal. Onto your example builds, both lack a dedicated magical defense item, neither have Pridwen, both have only 20% CDR, these are all problems. Also I would swap the places of lotus and sov around.

(1) |

why do you not give suggest any BoToth builds? Makes it seem you're not a fan off that item.

(143) |

Because why build on Baron in Mid when he already struggles? Without Magus he barely has early game relevance, and getting Thoth just delays his potential. I mean sure you can get Magus third after getting Thoth third, but Magus is less relevant the later the game goes on. I mean fine, go a book of thoth build if you want, but I don't see the need for it. Remember Book of Thoth isn't as strong (by itself) as it was at one point last season. Im also not a massive fan of Book of the Dead (pretty decent on Hera though with Thoth), when I can just get E-Staff which got buffed recently.

Besides, mages are making good use out of proc items (Reaver, E-Staff) right now anyway.

Some mages I would build Thoth on, like Raijin if I didn't get Bancrofts into high pressure Mid matchups (like the Set Mid I went against yesterday), so I have good lategame scaling with Reaver and can melt tanks.

Hel is someone I would consider Thoth on.

Thoth himself I don't bother building book of thoth most matches because I just prefer rushing deso/divine then into the E-Staff and Reaver, or I go CDR > Divine > Chronos' > E-Staff > Obs Shard/Reaver (either order) > sell boots for Soul Gem. So I can abuse item proc effects with this build.

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(1) |

I see, thanks. Mages is my least preferred role, so I really don't know what's good and not.
I figure since many items have some mana Toth would work well.

For bruisers i love EStaff.

(143) |

wrote:

I see, thanks. Mages is my least preferred role, so I really don't know what's good and not.

Watch Prettyprime, Zyrhoes or Wlfy on Twitch when they're streaming Smite and ask them (or basically any pro Mid laner). Or ask on Smite reddit. Or ask here.

(1) |

I don't watch streamers cause I'd rather play in the time hah. Plus I'm in Asia so time different

(143) |

You could watch them while you queue games, since queues can tend to be long sometimes, and the lobby/loading is long. Even more long for ranked.

If timezone is the issue you could just watch VODs on their channels, you don't have to watch them live.

(143) |

My suggestions, remove the mid lane build and instead replace with a solo lane one: , , , , , as a generic build. Starter item would either be or (guardians blessing in solo means you damage minions but don't last hit them for the kill so you can build stacks of guardians blessing, meaning you rely on minion and/or tower assists).

Support build: , Lotus Crown, , , , as a generic build.

Relic options ideally are: beads, aegis, teleport (solo), shell, heavenly wings.

Do not get thorns or meditation on Baron.

(3) |

Having a mage in solo lane doesn't make sense to me as I have mostly seen guardians and worriors there, and having a mage in solo lane means that the jungler will have to focus mid and solo even more...and now that I think about it, that gives duo lane an advantage holy **** this is GENIUS

(401) |

There are some very standard mages that play in Solo and have done for a long time. , , , , , and (and Baron more recently) are all historically common non-Warrior picks.

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(143) |

I know Ah Puch solo has been a thing, but not that often, or maybe it was picked during dirty bubble meta and i've forgot.

(143) |

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What? Have you never seen certain mages in solo before? Are you even aware of anything regarding what may or may not be meta, or what may or may not be viable in conquest?

Also I taking a mage to solo also typically means building them hybrid/tanky.

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(3) |

Nope, I have not seen mages in solo yet.

(143) |

Then you clearly have not played conquest at all in the past 2 seasons, let alone touched ranked.

(81) |

Basically you're making a hasty generalization, Luka. Just because you haven't seen mages in solo doesn't mean that they aren't played there.

(3) |

Well still, I'll try to play baron solo. I will see how good it is.

(143) |

Start guardians blessing, tier 1 boots, baron's brew, and 3 health pots. Remember what I said in the other comment about how guardian's blessing works in solo, but if you don't understand just use mage's blessing instead.

(81) |

He's good, but the usual rules apply: build to counter your opponent during the lanning phase and go somewhat tanky () before you start rotating regularly.

-1

(3) |

I will not touch conquest ranked until I have a full team, other than that I love conquest

(143) |

Why not just play Ranked Conquest by yourself like plenty of others do?

(3) |

For the one single reason only, its just that alot of my conquest games have TERRIBLE teammates and they cant handle alot of what they are supposed to do by themselves. But can you please tell me that ranked conquest is different? I really want it to be..

(143) |

It depends on your MMR and the matchmaking. I can't guarantee anything.

(46) |

Wait, I thought only 2 people could queue for ranked conquest?

(81) |

Yes, you can only solo or dual queue in ranked Conquest, you cannot queue with a full 5-man team.

(3) |

Well ****, if I knew that sooner, I would've queued for it a long time ago

(81) |

They've been there: https://smiteprobuilds.com/Builds?p_filters_page=1&p_filters_search=&p_filters_god=~&p_filters_pro=~&p_filters_opponent=~&p_filters_role=Solo&p_filters_league=Ranked:Conquest&p_filters_sort=~

(3) |

I will put a note in support showing this but I am keeping mid lane since he is a mage

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(81) |

This is an equivocation, not a reason to keep him as mid. Basically you're saying that mages are usually in mid; Baron's a mage, so he can be used in mid.

(17) |

You need to stop harassing people with big words.

(81) |

Big words hurt brain? :p

(143) |

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I will put a note in support showing this but I am keeping mid lane since he is a mage

Just because he is a mage doesen't mean he's suitable for mid. You don't see many , , mids do you? So that argument is flawed. Baron has one of the worst possible early clears (well early game in general) for a mage (if not the worst) and lowest damage of many mages.

(401) |

One missing item you could consider for protection would be . But if you're going Thoth (which is also nerfed and so makes it a bit of a hard sell), then BotD which you do list is perhaps a better, more aggressive item that still offers some survivability.

isn't really an item you should consider, IMO, and especially shouldn't be core. He's already got healing, and you don't want to get absolutely shut down by anti-heal. You should instead be prioritizing earlier if you're going to go that route. If anything, it should be your 2nd item right after Shoes.

That said, I'd also probably prioritize other lifesteal items a lot less...no SG, no Pythag's, for example.

In Support, with his ramp-to-root, you should consider higher early pressure with , which isn't listed anywhere for some reason. And his heal is too situational and only functional around enemy gods that doesn't seem worth it to me.

And in your example Support build, here's where I think needs to be prioritized way less. Get it later in a build if you do pick it up, and make sure you get magical protection earlier.

Overall, though, this is a significantly better effort than some of your previous builds. You should offer a skill leveling direction, though.

(143) |

Book of Thoth isn't even bad, it's just Baron mid is bad.

(3) |

I will be updating this now

(143) |

Baron Samedi isn't viable in Mid since the last nerfs to Baron and the nerfs to Magus and Soul Reaver (which were his core items for mid keeping him barely viable there).

As for the "support" build that has no magical defense, and has not only spear of the magus but combined with gem of iso and asclepius alltogether as one is just not giving a good impression.

(13) |

wrote:

Baron Samedi isn't viable in Mid since the last nerfs to Baron and the nerfs to Magus and Soul Reaver (which were his core items for mid keeping him barely viable there).

I agree about the nerfs to Baron and to Soul Reaver, but Magus is still as strong. Baron just doesn't abuse it as much as Merlin or Anubis.

(143) |

I didn't mean the nerfs to magus made that item not relevant, im just saying the combined nerfs of Baron Mid core items and his own nerfs made his mid lane garbage.

(3) |

For the first paragraph, they messed up on these nerfs but I still see him as useful, as for the support build, the no magical defence is only because there is rarely magical players going against him in the beginning, but then again, I'll see what I can do

(13) |

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[...]as for the support build, the no magical defence is only because there is rarely magical players going against him in the beginning, but then again, I'll see what I can do

What about the enemy support? And the enemy mid? Or if the enemy team has a different comp and is running a magical ADC?

I know Lotus Crown provides situational magical prots, but that's no excuse to forego magical defense altogheter. If you still want to be bruiser, pick . Otherwise, píck or .

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(3) |

I am thinking of switching it and putting it in as last core item or 4th item as genjis guard and have the others alternatives...I'll let that be your choice.

(3) |

And that's exactly what I just fixed

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Smite God: Baron Samedi

Baron Samedi Build

Mid lane starter

Notes

Mid lane core

Notes

Mid lane full build

Notes

Alternative damage items

Notes

Alternative hybrid/defence items

Notes

Support starter

Support core

Notes

Support full build

Notes

Hybrid defence/health alternatives

Notes

Defence alternatives

Solo starter

Notes

Solo build

Notes

Solo build(against magical)

Notes

Alternatives

Relics

Baron Samedi's Skill Order

Vivid Gaze

Consign Spirits

Wrap It Up

Life of the Party

Vivid Gaze

Consign Spirits

Wrap It Up

Life of the Party

Baron Samedi Threats

Achilles | Major

Anubis | Major

Ao Kuang | Major

Apollo | Major

Arachne | Major

Bellona | Major

Chaac | Major

He Bo | Major

Hercules | Major

Hun Batz | Major

Kumbhakarna | Major

Ne Zha | Major

Odin | Major

Scylla | Major

The Morrigan | Major

Vamana | Major

Xing Tian | Major

Ah Muzen Cab | Even

Ah Puch | Even

Ares | Even

Awilix | Even

Bacchus | Even

Bakasura | Even

Baron Samedi | Even

Bastet | Even

Cernunnos | Even

Cu Chulainn | Even

Fenrir | Even

King Arthur | Even

Nike | Even

Tyr | Even

Vulcan | Even

Cabrakan | Minor

Cupid | Minor

Ra | Minor

Serqet | Minor

Sol | Minor

Poseidon | Maximum

Zeus | Maximum

Sun Wukong | Tiny

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