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So for Chronos, Hel, Isis, and Freya

Chronos got nerfed into the ground by people at low tier who complained about him. He was literally never picked in competitive because of the Polynomicon nerfs, the nerfs to his Speed, and his horifically weak early game. He is useless until he gets 3+ items. But people complained about his late game potential, so they nerfed him further. He's now underpowered in common games and literally never ever picked in competitive.

My suggestions go with Jordenito. If his stop time doesn't slow, at least let it stun. Ao Kuang counters chronos, and Thanatos just runs headlong at you without possibility of escape.

For Freya, she had her necessary Polynomicon nerfed, but her damage is still debatably fine. I think she's ok.

Isis is in a decent spot. She does what she needs.

Hel is very very strong right now, but she's odd in the meta. I don't know exactly what to do with that. I want nerfs to her (Forgive me almighty turnip) but I want to find a way to get her into Conquest, as she has too dangerous a waveclear in mid (It requires basically melee range that can be HEAVILY punished, even as someone who can heal it up. Basically, no mana), and as support she has 0 CC to help out. I guess she can function in solo lane but many bruisers can 100-0 her, like Tyr or Chaac. I'm just at a loss here.

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Those Noobis changes sound great. Stealing movement speed is a pretty neat idea, but I think it should be tied to instead of , since is already your pseudo-escape.

As for Chronos, why not rework his ultimate, instead of tweaking his abilities? They did it with Guan. Seriously, he's the god of TIME. There has to be some cool ideas.

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I dunno... I really like his current ultimate, though it is a severe part of his bad early game. I actually think Chronos is fine. I still stick to what I said about . Especially now, since like, every game has Thanatos in the jungle, it's impossible to deal with him. He is overpowered anyway, but being immune to Chorons' stun, while having a superior early game as opposed to Chronos which is quite frankly, as bad as Kali's, it's just... every time I go to the solo lane, I nearly poop my pants the entire time Thanatos is there. I just... I'l try to think of new ult ideas for him, just general ones.

As for . I have to say, she is just an obnoxious god. Her ultimate is the one of the cheapest and most annoying. It even bothers me more than the click-to-kill Nemesis ult. It's like, "Oh ****! *pressed 4*... haha! I'm immune to everything and fly stupidly fast! boom boom boom boom! 75% of your health because why not? I can!" It's basically a more safe and more counterable ult... but still, a smart Freya can hit 2 of those bombs even if you do pop tier 3 Aegis... I've got no real suggestions, all I have to say is that I hate Freya. But damage reduction could work, or a slight delay between pressing 4 and actually going into the air.

Goobis - I also prefer the movement steal rather then the boost if you land .

I'm okay with Hel, ATM. Though, I will say this, it is impossible to play against her as in the solo lane. I haven't tried any other melee in the solo lane, but from my experience, it's just brutal. She out pushes you early game, she can poke you for days, and your heal is just bad, and you can't poke her back because you are Guan Yu, and she can heal the wave, especially early game when leaves the entire minion wave at 50% health, she can just heal them back to 100% aaand.... you lost half of your gold. But that's me speaking as a Guan Yu fan... Hel is okay.

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Maybe for , lower the damage from 120/150/180/210/240 per hit (+35% of your magical power), to 100/125/150/175/200 (+30% of your magical power). But make it give 25% increased movemsnt speed. This will stop it from dealing disgusting amounts of damage (it'll still be one of the strongest direct damage spells in the game), but it'll be more handy as an escape/chasing tool, instead of an execution/tower diving tool.

I also kinda want to make Freya more of a, well, melee character. But that isn't necessary.

As for a Chronos ult, maybe on steroids? He gains soft CC immunity and 20/25/30/35/40% movement and attack speed for 5 seconds, with all effects occurring simultaneously. So for 5 seconds, he gains both +20% magical power and +35% basic attack MP contribution. I think that's a really powerful effect, since normally you can't get them to stack.

Alternatively, something to do with stopping time? A global stun sounds really strong. (After all, time is universal and should affect the whole map, right?) Seriously, imagine if the effect was simply applied to the whole map, with a 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5 stun time. That'd also solve the problem of stuff like negating it, since you'd be able to just do it again in after the buff wears off.

Or maybe a cooldown reduction thingy?

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For the Chronos change, I dislike the idea of the ultimate basically being an upgraded version of one of his primary spells. That said, I don't have any ideas to offer. Carry on.

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Agree on the Freya Ult.

As for Chronos, I really think he is fine. Frankly, he doesn't need a damage boost. His ultimate is one of the most unique in the game, and I like it. The main problem with him, is his incredibly vulnerable early game. But that's okay. I'm fine with having a god like that. If you know how to play him, which is basically be the most cautious player ever, it pays off. I really think Chronos is fine. My only problem with him, like I've said, is the stun immunity if you are immune to slows.

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Actually, now that I think about it, what do you guys think about Chronos having a copy of him representing where he was 8 seconds ago for his ultimate? so that you could know where you teleport to instead of guessing.

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That'd be a neat feature. It'd also make it easier to kill him too :)

Or...I just had a thought. What if his ultimate made clones of him for a while? You know how you go back in time to help your past self? Something like that.

I'm not sure how the clones would work, if they were just an exact copy doing to same movements, or if they were controlled by a bot, but I think this sounds pretty neat.

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I like this idea. I'm picturing it being kind of like Sun Wukong's clone, where it's basically a bot copy, basic attacks, and doesn't do a whole lot outside of being a bit of a nuisance, but still has a decent function. Might not be 100% in tune with the whole time lord thing, but your idea is definitely something that would give Chronos a little bit more of something.

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I don't it'll make him easier to be killed. Remember that his past 8 seconds copy will be constantly moving, so the enemies will have a hard time determining where and what to do to it.

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