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Goals

- Reduce overall survivability.

agni summary

- Trade off some of his burst for escapism

Anubis Summary

- Reduce his overall strength and fix animations.

ao kuang summary

- Increase her general impact on the game.

aphrodite summary

The goal is to increase her overall impact on the game. specifically in team fights (general meta complains and arguments about support-Mages are not involved here).

Her passive - loving embrace and

The passive isn't that good as there aren't many good MP5 items in the game and generally speaking, who the f*** gets meditation outside of assault? Its only real use is with the blue buff in the duo lane.

Suggestions:

Make the current of effect of loving embrace be built in her Kiss and grant it a new effect: Make it so that if Aphrodite has a soul-mate, all allied gods within 25 feet (same radius as mystical mark receive 50% of the healing of Love Birds if she hits a valid non-god target, and if she does hit a an enemy god the healing becomes 100%.(me)
Decrease Love Birds damage to minions to 50% (Chiulin).
Make her passive share 100 percent hp5 and mp5 with her soul-mate. When her Love Birds hits a target allies in a 30 foot radius also gain 30 percent of the healing.(Chiulin)

Suggestions:

Enemies within 10-feet of an offensive Kiss will be slowed by 50% for 1 seconds OR allies within 10 feet of a friendly/offensive Kiss will have their movement speed increased by 50% for 1 second. (Subzero008)
If her soul-mate dies while they are linked by Kiss, Aphrodite gains additional 20/30/40/50/60 magical power for 4 seconds.
Enemies within 10-feet of an offensive Kiss will be mesmerized for 1 seconds. (me)
Make her be able to Kiss up to two allies. If she have two allies connected to her as soul-mates, she is not affected by any of the benefits of Kiss, Love Birds or Undying Love. (arka222)

Suggestion:

Make Aphrodite gain additional 10/15/20/25/30 protections for 3 seconds after using Back Off!. (me)
If Aphrodite is surrounded by more than 3 gods, allies and/or enemies, the range of Back Off! will increase from 20 feet to 30 feet. (Subzero008).

Suggestions:

Reduce the cooldown to flat 60 seconds. That way you'll have it available at most fights, especially if you get CDR (kinda like Nu Wa).
Make it remove all CC and grant CC-immunity for 1/1.3/1.6/2/2.5 and a damage reduction of 30/40/50/60/70% for the same duration. Additionally, the cooldown should be reduced to flat 50 seconds. (Chiulin & me).

- Increase her viability in Conquest, specifically in the laning phase and fix her ult.

chang'e summary

- Balance off his early game compared to his late game, make stun enemies that are immune to slows, maybe a slight rework as well.

chronos summary

As we all know, Chronos is a late game monster, but an early game piece of uselessness. There are a few problems with him, but they are not so easily defined, so I'll just write the ideas & suggestion.

Tweaking Suggestions

Stop Time, as of now, slows to a stun, meaning that if the target is immune to slows, they won't e stunned either, for example, Thanatos when his Scent of Death is active. Now, Stop Time is the only form of CC Chronos has, and while it might be annoying to deal with sometimes, it's not super hard to dodge - it's probably the slowest moving skill shot in the game. Sure, in the jungle it can almost never miss, but what doesn't? So gods that are immune to slows won't be slowed to a stun rather than just be stunned at the time they are supposed to be without the slow effect before it. (me)
After getting Rewind, Chronos will have a copy of him which will only be visible to him. The copy will represent where Chronos has been 8 seconds ago. This comes in handy just so that you won't Rewind and try to guesstimate where you've been. (me)
Since his early game clear is the worst out of all the Mages (perhaps Scylla's is on par with him), he could use a change. Buff the base numbers of Stop Time to 50/75/100/125/150 (+25%) and reduce the mana cost to 60/65/70/75/80. This will help his early game, but slightly nerf his late game. (Raventhor)

Rework Suggestions

Change Stop Time to Slow Time. Instead of slowing to a stun, enemies that are hit are slowed from 1% to 99% over 2 seconds.* (Subzero008)
Add a stun of 0.75 seconds on Time Rift. Enemies that are affected by Slow Time are stunned for 2x the duration (1.5 sec). (Subzero008). The cooldown is increased from 5 seconds to 7 seconds. (me)

Reason - So you'd level Stop Time for the clear, and Time Rift can be leveled later for harass, or Accelerate for the DPS. Time Rift now gains some early utility, so players will be encouraged more to level Stop Time first. This should also solve the slow-as-molasses problem of Stop Time, as it's possible to reliably hit with such a small AoE. (Flame Strike, anyone?)

*The tweaking suggestions of adding a copy for Rewind and buffing the base numbers of Stop Time/Slow Time are still valid for the rework suggestions.

- ~~Reduce her high skill cap~~ JK. Reduce the 'freebeeness' of her ultimate.

freya summary

- Add some counterplay to him, specifically to his ultimate.

he bo summary

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- Slightly buff her ultimate.

isis summary

- Increase her overall usefulness.

nu wa summary

- Make his kit synchronize better.

poseidon summary

- Slightly, very slightly nerf him.

- Buff her early game and clear, slightly tone down her dominate late game.

scylla summary

- Make his passive useful and maybe tweak his turret.

Vulcan summary

- Reduce overall damage output and other features.

zeus summary

The problem witth is that, quite frankly, he is just ridiculous in every single aspect. He has insane burst, superb dueling potential, very high area damage, the ability to take down 50% of someone's health from a mile away, great movement speed, and the ability to deny any attempt of an auto-attack based god attack him.

The problem here is that, while it's a skill-shot, just by hitting one enemy, you can deal x5 the damage of + x5 detonate chrage damage. And that's just by hitting one skill shot. Yes, you can argue that if land squall, he can easily burst you down withtornadoes & spirit's tempest, but, damn it, he still needs some aiming. With , all you need to do is hit one enemy, and you can reach another enemy god within a mile away from them and still deal massive damage. All of that, while having a mere 8 seconds cooldown. The reason it's ridiculous is not by itself, but the follow up damage from that doesn't require anything from the .

So, what do we do? quite simply, increase the cooldown, to somewhere between 12-14. (Subzero008). It's a skill shot that can easily take down 50% of someone's health in addition to stunning them for one second just by hitting it and pressing another button.

On top of that, the damage is ridiculous. It can reach 1025 base damage + 200% of your magical power. And you can always afterwards.

We can either reduce the amount of arcs from 4 + initial hit to 3 + initial hit.
OR
Reduce the base damage per arc to 45/70/95/120/145 (+35% of your magical power) (max damage = 725 + 175% of your magical power).

aegis shield

Probably the most broken thing about as of now. The issue with this one, is that just by pressing '2', basically becomes invincible for 6 against auto-attack based gods for 6 seconds, which we have about 12 of them (, , , , and all of the Hunters etc.) The fact that he can just apply a charge at those gods without even attacking, while he can apply charges with basically every other ability he has (apart from on top of his auto attack which apply them... it's too much. He doesn't even need to work for his charges with aegis shield.

So, what do we do? Quite simply, make it so that the shield doesn't apply charges on every god that auto attacks him. (~~Me, Subzero008,~~ THE ENTIRE F***ING COMMUNITY).

A so called "settlement", which, I disagree with, just because the above suggestion is the best solution, but if for some, stupidly vague reason, they don't want to remove the auto-attack-charges-reflect, we can make it so that aegis shield has 3 charges. And for each auto attack, a charge is applied to the attacker, but removed from Zeus' shield itself. And if all 3 charges are removed, the shield expires (or if the duration has). That way, he won't be able to deny 3 gods that auto attack him simultaneously, but still maintain the ability to counter. Just a reminder; this is not the ideal solution. It's just a settlement if Hi-Rez doesn't want to remove the charges reflection. But I vote for the first suggestion, and I think that all of the community does.

Also, if the suggested nerfs are applies, we'd want to see his old swing chain come back. It had its place. It suited his play-style and his kit. Sure, with his current kit, he is already broken as hell and the swing chain just empowered him even more, but they took it away and it wasn't what caused the problem. There's a difference between a swing chain that suits the god and a swing chain that would be overpowered like there's no tomorrow (imagine with 1/.5/.5 x swing chain.

- Reduce his early game resistance.

Zhong Kui Summary

As you can see, there are a lot of question marks. I'm not really sure about most of the mages as to what can we do to fix them/make the better to fit the game/balance them. You are more than welcome to point out goals.

Just remember to point out reasons, so that it'd be easier to understand and more clear.

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I'll start with .

has been off the tracks for quite some time. Being a burst mage that relies heavily on his ultimate, it is easily countered by . Also, his kit just doesn't synchronize well with itself, as he is suppose to be a long ranged-mage where as his is impossible to hit at longer distances.

My suggested rework of :

Make it start at 50% damage, and the further the wave travels, it increases its damage (maximum of 2x damage at max range) and width (I believe the current width is 5 feet, about 12 feet at maximum width). The knock back still applies.

This is just to make him more dangerous when far away and make it actually possible to hit enemies with it.

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Good idea. I'd reduce the stun time on release the kraken a bit, maybe to 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5, because I don't believe getting hit by an easily countered ability should mean guaranteed death, especially if the countering depends on an active item.

I also think that maybe should extend basic attack range by a few feet, just as a little bit of synergy.

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Seems like a reasonable change. I can't really think of any changes I would make for .

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Dang! I really gotta rush up and join this discussion. I've a lot to talk.

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Quoted:

Subzero008 wrote:
Good idea. I'd reduce the stun time on a bit, maybe to 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4/1.5, because I don't believe getting hit by an easily countered ability should mean guaranteed death, especially if the countering depends on an active item.

I also think that maybe should extend basic attack range by a few feet, just as a little bit of synergy.

I agree. The 2 seconds stun on the kraken is useless.

As for , I'd like to see the 3 auto attacks just tightened up to reduce the spread rather than increasing the range, but I either way it'll work.

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Dang! I really gotta rush up and join this discussion. I've a lot to talk.

Me and you could make changes.

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Actually, I think x 2 damage is a bit too strong (540 base with 140% contributions, -_-). Maybe 1.5? I think 390 + 105% is strong enough.

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Me and you could make changes.

I just noticed that even though your profile pic is more serious now...Star Boobis...

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If you don't mind, I'd like to discuss and his ultimate .

We all know . In my opinion he is one of the most annoying gods in the game (probably with and but I'm getting off track...). My point is that he already has insane burst with his which does tons of damage on a 0 seconds CD, his 100-meters ranged poke and his passive which grants him additional burst if he lacked any.

Now as for his ultimate, yes, I do get the reason is here. Doing enough burst for the entire humanity and gods themselves while being the squishiest god alive. But, come on... his ultimate is almost as strong as spirit's tempest and it's basically unavoidable.
And, no, the guy that says that a well timed, and counters him.. shut up. 99% of the times you actually dodge/avoid it... it's luck.

All i suggest is not reducing the damage, the width, the range, nothing. All I want is for it to have a short delay. Like has, where you can actually hear the ultimate come and see it. I want to have a few milliseconds of 'charging' with a special sound that you could actually anticipate it instead of ****ting your pants when you think he's about to do it...

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